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How to bring back players and re-energize the game (pvp)

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How to bring back players and re-energize the game (pvp)

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FourPawnBenoni
06.18.2018 , 01:34 PM | #1
You need to take note of what is creating the most popularity right now. It's COMPETITVE PVP, e-sports. Pubg, Fortnite, LoL, Overwatch etc are all the most watched games on Twitch.

How to use this for SWTOR? Well, keep in mind that ranked pvp when the game was first released was incredibly popular. Even on Pot5, after significant population decline which forced the first server merges, we were tracking over 30 ranked teams/guilds on the server forums as an unofficial ranking system. This is just one of many servers at the time, so population wasn't an issue. I played on a team with Hoth Ski Patrol if that rings any bells for people that have been around.

With this in mind, EA should host it's own pvp tournament on Twitch, with announcers, etc. Time it with the release of a new war zone. Advertise to all former players (they have their emails) and have the players registered under team/guild names that existing players will recognize and remember. Have a bracket on the website with a nice reward for teams that advance far enough. Then repeat this regularly.

I guarantee you this will bring back a lot of the player base. The word spreads. The combat system, visuals and traditional maps have always been viewed favorably. Just clean up some of the desync on jugg leaps, op rolls & teleporting.

Lastly, get rid of the gearing mechanism that makes it so prohibitive to people that want to come back and pvp (it's just too much of a grind, and expensive with the augments). Back in 4.0, a player could get max pvp gear in about a week of solid playing. That was perfect, especially since people like alts. If you don't fix the gearing, even people that want to come back are going to hesitate at the time sink the system currently is.

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SteveTheCynic
06.18.2018 , 02:22 PM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by FourPawnBenoni View Post
and have the players registered under team/guild names that existing players will recognize and remember
How do you propose that this should work? Especially if the guilds in question haven't been disbanded or renamed already, how do you propose that BW should achieve this?

Are you seriously proposing that those old players who haven't played in *years* should be forcibly inserted into existing guilds without consulting the existing membership? What if the guild still exists, with its old name(1), and those old players were ejected along the way for inactivity, and the guild is now full?

(Don't get me started on the weirdness of the underlying theory: a bunch of competitive games that aren't MMORPGs are very popular, therefore the best solution to SWTOR's woes would be a relaunch of ranked PvP in an MMORPG. Does not compute.)
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06.18.2018 , 02:31 PM | #3
The problem isn't limited to PvP...the problem this game is suffering from is lack of development. It doesn't matter if you PvP or play solo, nobody is satisfied with the lack of content coming out of Austin. Development has seemingly ceased on this game lately.
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06.18.2018 , 02:36 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by SteveTheCynic View Post
How do you propose that this should work? Especially if the guilds in question haven't been disbanded or renamed already, how do you propose that BW should achieve this?

Are you seriously proposing that those old players who haven't played in *years* should be forcibly inserted into existing guilds without consulting the existing membership? What if the guild still exists, with its old name(1), and those old players were ejected along the way for inactivity, and the guild is now full?

(Don't get me started on the weirdness of the underlying theory: a bunch of competitive games that aren't MMORPGs are very popular, therefore the best solution to SWTOR's woes would be a relaunch of ranked PvP in an MMORPG. Does not compute.)
Thanks for the response and good questions.

First, no I don't mean that people should be forced to stay with old guild names. I just mean that teams are registered as a team. For example, the problem I have with group ranked standings is that everything is still ranked by players. Who is the best ranked team in SWTOR? No clue, because there is no way to measure it. I propose that the teams/guilds are promoted and ranked. There are many ways it could work, I'm not saying this is the best but here is one: A person that gets over X rating in team ranked gets an invitation to fill out a registration online. He submits the guild/team name he wants and the player names of his teammates.

Second, there are MMORPG's that run competitive pvp tournaments. Also, I think it's illogical to assume it wouldn't work just because it's not as popular as battle royal or FP shooter. I think there would be many interesting things to watch in a match as a viewer from an observer camera. For example, when off nodes are challenged, hutt ball plays, etc.

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06.18.2018 , 02:44 PM | #5
  • Rewards
  • Content
  • Promotion
  • Movie tie-ins
  • Eliminate cheating and win-trading q- synching
  • Incentives
  • Revamp game and engine
  • Re-think balance, stuns, CC, mobility, breakers, defensives, heals and DPS.

Then communicate with your playerbase and work with them to make it great and people may come back, or at least not leave so quickly.

That's what needs to happen.

What have they got planned for v5.9 onwards.....? very little if any of the above. - And that is why they fail.
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t-darko
06.18.2018 , 02:48 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
The problem isn't limited to PvP...the problem this game is suffering from is lack of development. It doesn't matter if you PvP or play solo, nobody is satisfied with the lack of content coming out of Austin. Development has seemingly ceased on this game lately.
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TalonVII
06.18.2018 , 02:49 PM | #7
I say screw most of that. What this game needs besides more content development is some SANDBOX things to do.

Personally I say take some of the good stuff from SWG, allowing players to create our own stuff to do. Make planets so they are not just one off stopping places to go, but make them alive with their own things going on.

Keep the story. The story is a damn good driving force, bit give us other things to do besides that.

If I want PvP till my eyes bleed, I'll go play World of Warahips.

Give me an immersive SW universe. Give me a reason to go back to Alderaan or Tatooine, or Ord Mantell.

Sand box. Let us create stuff to do for ourselves while the devs give us more over arching story to do.

Blend the best of both worlds.

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Andryah
06.18.2018 , 03:34 PM | #8
This is NOT a PvP centric MMO.. so most of your comparisons, allusions, and ideas are misplaced.

This IS an MMO that is primarily PvE with some PvP for those that enjoy PvP.

If you want to bring back players....only more and faster content drops will likely do that. Period... full stop. MMO players are not like they used to be years ago when people actually camped their favorite MMO even during content droughts ... they will only come back and play when fresh content drops.
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Andryah
06.18.2018 , 03:36 PM | #9
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I say screw most of that. What this game needs besides more content development is some SANDBOX things to do.
I think the market has demonstrated over the years that Sandbox is very niche with the player base.... and most MMO players actually do not enjoy it and will not play it.

EVE Online is probably the most successful sandbox MMO in the market... and even it cannot sustain population numbers.

Also.. to note.. the rave promises about upcoming Sand-Park MMOs.. to bridge the gap between Sandbox and Thempark approaches ----> vaporware. The reason being very likely the same reason Sandbox approach has a limited player audience.

Please note: you are absolutely entitled to ask for what you want... but I just think you need to be realistic about how popular Sandbox actually is in MMOs.
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jimmorrisson
06.18.2018 , 04:27 PM | #10
The only way to bring back players and re-energize the game is to have a west coast server.