They could always come out and say "Sorry. Change of plans. We're not adding it now, because things have changed and it's just not feasable and/or worth the investment"

 

Of course, if they were honest like that, all they'd get is a thread full of complaints.

Not from me. I'd just go, 'Okay,' and either keep playing for other content or, if I felt the other content was no longer worth it, spend my money elsewhere. I'm sure a lot of us would just prefer to be let down bluntly than to receive a proverbial brick wall to the face. And we're all sick of tasting brick.

Heya! I hope everyone had a safe and fun holiday. Happy Boxing Day to my Canadian friends.

Few things I wanted to address:

First, the whole, "BioWare doesn't know what's going on," statement. That is just incredibly silly in my humble opinion. I think they know exactly what is going on with that content and refuse to say a word. Shoot, they talked about Guild Ships recently, so I think their game plan is set.

Secondly, "A few cut scenes then done." I've actually done the OGRs in ToR, and that's part of the reason why I'm fighting for SGRs. It really added a lot for me personally to my experience, especially when carting around Kira or Vector. I thought they were well done and a lot sweeter than I would have thought. It's up to the player to decide if they are worth it or not. I believe the pro-SGR community should have the chance to experience the content was promised.

Third, "Just RP it." Um, no. It's not fair nor right for the players to have to roleplay this. Plus, it's not the same with another player as it is with a companion. Unless the people involved want to roleplay that they are Vette or whatever. Why should SGRs be treated differently from the romance content of the game? Would anyone ask someone to just RP OGRs if SGRs were the only ones in the game? Makes zero sense to me.

Fourth, "Why did you buy this game if they didn't have SGRs in it?" This is just my thought on it. I personally bought the game because my husband enjoyed it and it looked like fun.

Why did they buy it anyways? Simple, they didn't think they would wait over a year just to even know if it was answered. And if anyone has played a BioWare game in the last 10 years, they'd know that it is really apart of the game. This is very different from the way BioWare has treated its customers in the past. This does seem to be par for the course for EA, but I won't get into that.

Fifth, "Just remove all romances." That wouldn't work. Every BW game I've played has had romance options, except for maybe Icewind Dale. So it really is a part of the way they write the stories. Plus, as it has been mentioned, this only comes up when we talk about SGRs. Along with the requests for romance filters.

If someone doesn't like the romance options, they can ignore them. The pro-SGR community wants the opportunity to not only romance the toon they want, but also to ignore the minion if they so choose.

In the end, this is about getting any answer at all. I don't know about most of the posters here, but I wouldn't be complaining regardless of the answer. That's a rather dumb excuse. If this is a primarily adult audience, then they should treat it like such. They shouldn't be afraid of players complaining nor backlash from extreme family groups. They've dealt with both in the past.

So that's what this thread is mostly about now. Trying to get any sort of answer from BioWare, so people can know what to do with their playtime. It's gonna be a busy weekend for me.

Again, if anyone is still trying to write to the press, please let them know that it isn't about why this has not made it into the game yet. This isn't about why it may never come to pass. This is about flat-out demanding an answer from BioWare about this. Makeb is available for pre-order, so we should start getting an answer.

I really hope they address this by the first week of January before I get irritated again. The last time I got irritated with BioWare, I kicked off the email campaign.

Which is still going on my end. Doup begged me to take a few days away from this and it has done me a lot of good. However, I haven't stopped nor will I until BioWare-Austin bucks up and tells us what the hell is going on.

Off-topic: If anyone is going to play DA: O, I'd recommend a rogue unless you want to wait til you get past the scenes in Ostagar. That's when the first rogue and female SGR shows up. However, if you want an all girl party, you'd need to roll a tank unless you want to take your dog around.

And Palar, thanks for the link! I got some great gear out of that and I'll have more stuff for DA2. If anyone is going to play/replay DA: O, make sure you stop by the site linked.

Off-topic: If anyone is going to play DA: O, I'd recommend a rogue unless you want to wait til you get past the scenes in Ostagar. That's when the first rogue and female SGR shows up. However, if you want an all girl party, you'd need to roll a tank unless you want to take your dog around.

Or wait until you get Shale. Actually depending on difficulty level you can often just DPS your way through a lot of the game.

Off-topic: If anyone is going to play DA: O, I'd recommend a rogue unless you want to wait til you get past the scenes in Ostagar. That's when the first rogue and female SGR shows up. However, if you want an all girl party, you'd need to roll a tank unless you want to take your dog around.

You could always spec Wynne or Morrigan as Arcane Warriors and have them tank.

And Palar, thanks for the link! I got some great gear out of that and I'll have more stuff for DA2. If anyone is going to play/replay DA: O, make sure you stop by the site linked.

No problem at all - it's a weird dichotomy I have with BW at the moment (and their dichotomy towards this thread), but I still love 'em. Tis the season, and all that.

First, the whole, "BioWare doesn't know what's going on," statement. That is just incredibly silly in my humble opinion. I think they know exactly what is going on with that content and refuse to say a word. Shoot, they talked about Guild Ships recently, so I think their game plan is set.

 

Secondly, "A few cut scenes then done." I've actually done the OGRs in ToR, and that's part of the reason why I'm fighting for SGRs. It really added a lot for me personally to my experience, especially when carting around Kira or Vector. I thought they were well done and a lot sweeter than I would have thought. It's up to the player to decide if they are worth it or not. I believe the pro-SGR community should have the chance to experience the content was promised.

 

Third, "Just RP it." Um, no. It's not fair nor right for the players to have to roleplay this. Plus, it's not the same with another player as it is with a companion. Unless the people involved want to roleplay that they are Vette or whatever. Why should SGRs be treated differently from the romance content of the game? Would anyone ask someone to just RP OGRs if SGRs were the only ones in the game? Makes zero sense to me.

 

Fourth, "Why did you buy this game if they didn't have SGRs in it?" This is just my thought on it. I personally bought the game because my husband enjoyed it and it looked like fun.

 

Why did they buy it anyways? Simple, they didn't think they would wait over a year just to even know if it was answered. And if anyone has played a BioWare game in the last 10 years, they'd know that it is really apart of the game. This is very different from the way BioWare has treated its customers in the past. This does seem to be par for the course for EA, but I won't get into that.

 

Fifth, "Just remove all romances." That wouldn't work. Every BW game I've played has had romance options, except for maybe Icewind Dale. So it really is a part of the way they write the stories. Plus, as it has been mentioned, this only comes up when we talk about SGRs. Along with the requests for romance filters.

 

If someone doesn't like the romance options, they can ignore them. The pro-SGR community wants the opportunity to not only romance the toon they want, but also to ignore the minion if they so choose.

 

In the end, this is about getting any answer at all. I don't know about most of the posters here, but I wouldn't be complaining regardless of the answer. That's a rather dumb excuse. If this is a primarily adult audience, then they should treat it like such. They shouldn't be afraid of players complaining nor backlash from extreme family groups. They've dealt with both in the past.

 

So that's what this thread is mostly about now. Trying to get any sort of answer from BioWare, so people can know what to do with their playtime. It's gonna be a busy weekend for me.

 

Again, if anyone is still trying to write to the press, please let them know that it isn't about why this has not made it into the game yet. This isn't about why it may never come to pass. This is about flat-out demanding an answer from BioWare about this. Makeb is available for pre-order, so we should start getting an answer.

 

I really hope they address this by the first week of January before I get irritated again. The last time I got irritated with BioWare, I kicked off the email campaign.

 

Which is still going on my end. Doup begged me to take a few days away from this and it has done me a lot of good. However, I haven't stopped nor will I until BioWare-Austin bucks up and tells us what the hell is going on.

 

Off-topic: If anyone is going to play DA: O, I'd recommend a rogue unless you want to wait til you get past the scenes in Ostagar. That's when the first rogue and female SGR shows up. However, if you want an all girl party, you'd need to roll a tank unless you want to take your dog around.

 

And Palar, thanks for the link! I got some great gear out of that and I'll have more stuff for DA2. If anyone is going to play/replay DA: O, make sure you stop by the site linked.

First...agreed. They know what they're planning. Silly to think otherwise. Silly to think plans don't change however as well.

Second...I agree. I loved running through them! It does add more to the game. I just don't think it adds THAT much to the game. It was like a high. After it was done, nothing else happened If there was more to it than a cutscene it'd be great. But even after all that, in any other cutscene it's not evenbrought up. At least from what I've seen. Is there other classes that show something? This is why I think the better idea is more outfits, classes, skills, content that actually gets seen in the leveling process. It's far more lasting.

Third...you're basically RPing it with the NPC.

Fourth...just because it was a part of BW's other games, doesn't mean it has to be a part of ALL their games. Your logic is also just flawed. If BW's games were always OGR, these same complaints of having SGR would likely be in this game.

Fifth...yeah...not for removing content they have. I also think just adding a new companion available through a mission or cartel market is the way to go with it, unless they can allow people to redo all the scenes with their companions. People shouldn't have to reroll just to get a chance they didn't before.

Fifth...yeah...not for removing content they have. I also think just adding a new companion available through a mission or cartel market is the way to go with it, unless they can allow people to redo all the scenes with their companions. People shouldn't have to reroll just to get a chance they didn't before.

I would hate for them to add it to the Cartel Market. Extremely unfair. Everyone gets OGRs while people who want SGRs have to pay extra? No way. The concept of 'Pay2Gay' has been bandied about in this thread for ages but it's simply not suitable. There's no way it could be considered equitable with OGRs if it's one or two isolated companions and we have to pay more for them.

I fully agree, nobody should have to recreate to enjoy SGRAs, and there have been lots of options discussed as to how this could be achieved - from opening new companion conversations that can be accessed any time after a critical flirt point, to special gifts that could open up such a conversation option, to free companion tokens that would force the conversation to become available. Personally I think it should be tied into an item in the PC's quarters on their ship so they can call the companion in for a friendly chat.

Unfortunately this also runs smack bang into the same problem we keep experiencing - while a lot of very creative and interesting approaches to this dilemma (and others) have been posited in this thread we have absolutely no contact with Bioware about this. Not even a 'No, we thought of that idea and rejected it - but we can't tell you what we decided to do yet.' Not even a 'Hey, these are all cool ideas and we're taking suggestions into account, sorry we can't tell you anything but don't think we're not listening.' Not even a 'Shut up, feeble SGRA fanbase.' Nothing.

And so here we are, all throwing these extremely tired ideas around and wondering what the heck the point is of any of us being here.

Unfortunately this also runs smack bang into the same problem we keep experiencing - while a lot of very creative and interesting approaches to this dilemma (and others) have been posited in this thread we have absolutely no contact with Bioware about this. Not even a 'No, we thought of that idea and rejected it - but we can't tell you what we decided to do yet.' Not even a 'Hey, these are all cool ideas and we're taking suggestions into account, sorry we can't tell you anything but don't think we're not listening.' Not even a 'Shut up, feeble SGRA fanbase.' Nothing.

 

And so here we are, all throwing these extremely tired ideas around and wondering what the heck the point is of any of us being here.

Yeah but here's the thing, that actual fact. Do we know what BW are doing? Do you? I don't =( As much as I would love to wallow in the what if's and buts, they've pulled some exemplary chestnuts out in regard to community and content. Not perfect no, but people still moan about WoW and that's a basic "bring me 10 pigs " grind till endgame and a bit "LOOOOOL NOOOOB, your gear is ****" fest. This game doesn't encourage that.

But yeah doc is already gay for me.

This is a good thing. Particularly because you CAN very easily set up a roaming band of marauding lady adventurers if you like. Or a marauding band of gentlemen adventurers (though I suspect that would be less to your taste).

Except, I don't think you can choose to not have Alistair, but apart from him you can have an all female crew. You can't have an all male crew either, since Morrigan is locked in as well, even though she's a horrible human being.

First...agreed. They know what they're planning. Silly to think otherwise. Silly to think plans don't change however as well.

I know plans change. Why can't they tell us this? All we have to go on is old information and hearsay. I could 100% understand if things got dropped/put on hold. What I can't understand is why don't they do this. You know, tell the player base...

Again, they know exactly what is going on. Someone somewhere is just too chicken to talk about it. Crap like the deleted Tweet is proof that they know what is going on. So I'm maintaining that stance.

Second...I agree. I loved running through them! It does add more to the game. I just don't think it adds THAT much to the game. It was like a high. After it was done, nothing else happened If there was more to it than a cutscene it'd be great. But even after all that, in any other cutscene it's not evenbrought up. At least from what I've seen. Is there other classes that show something? This is why I think the better idea is more outfits, classes, skills, content that actually gets seen in the leveling process. It's far more lasting.

I thought it added a ton to the game and leveling is where the game really is. The draw of this game is the story, the main reason why I play. So, I don't see why the pro-SGR community should be denied this just because others think it doesn't mean much. I know plenty of other players that love the romance arcs currently.

As I said, I've done the OGRs, and I know nothing else happens. My sniper is level 50, finished with the Vector arc, and raiding. That doesn't matter to me that there currently isn't any follow up. What matters is having this content available for all, as they had promised. Or at least talked about by BW.

The quality of the romances are a matter of opinion that I think the players should be allow to decide for themselves. I thought it was worth every single moment, no matter how it ends.

We've actually gotten a ton of those other things, so they've come first. I don't think that adding SGRs will take away from any future content at all. That seems to be the preferred argument as of late, which I really don't get.

More skills? Not the writing department. More gear? Not the writing team. More classes? I'm not sure where they'd fit, and I doubt they are using the writing team for that at the moment at all. I'd rather they balance and fine tune the classes they have than add another thing else in that department. More Ops? Got a some of those and plenty of coverage of those since Launch. More PvP? See patch 1.6 More races? They at least talked about it.

It's a matter of priorities; for you, more skills and classes are the priority. For me and for others, more story including in the form of SGRs are our priority. So it's really not fair to keep saying, "XYZ is more important!" To many of us, SGRs are what the game is missing. And please stop saying, "It's not worth it, quit asking." Many people play for vastly different reasons. I respect your opinion, but please don't expect us to share it. So may we agree to disagree there?

Third...you're basically RPing it with the NPC.

Agreed, but you'd be taking advantage of writing team's hard work, not making up your own. To ask people to do that only for SGRs is uneven. People who want SGRs want to see how BioWare does it. If they wanted to make up their own stories and roleplay them, they would probably play tabletop games or write fan fiction for that. However, BW provides well written characters, so players should be able to take advantage of it since BioWare had promised they could.

Fourth...just because it was a part of BW's other games, doesn't mean it has to be a part of ALL their games. Your logic is also just flawed. If BW's games were always OGR, these same complaints of having SGR would likely be in this game.

I would agree, except BioWare already made that promise in Beta. Since they had promised this, it was expected of this game as much as any other recent BW game. My point is that no one should be reduced to roleplay story content that was already promised, unless we hear officially otherwise. Many of us have put various toons on hold until we know what is going on.

Fifth...yeah...not for removing content they have. I also think just adding a new companion available through a mission or cartel market is the way to go with it, unless they can allow people to redo all the scenes with their companions. People shouldn't have to reroll just to get a chance they didn't before.

The "remove all romances" comment was based on one of the current arguments going around, not by me.

I'm all about a class reset over a token gay companion. It would be nice for BW to give us any sign. That's why people have toons on hold. You're right; people shouldn't have to reroll. We don't know if they would have to or not. Many of the posters here just quit leveling due to that very uncertainty.

Please show me where I said they should remove existing content. I never ever said that. I also think that SGRs will not take away from anything else currently in existence. If anything, it will add to the game immensely. Most of us do Ops, or PvP or partake in many other forms of content...which doesn't take away from the writing team for the most part.

I also don't think any story or other content has been pushed aside for SGRs. I'm not sure why this mindset seems to persist, other than it's due to it being same sex content. Much of everything else coming before SGRs is proven fact at this point.

Yeah...no. I'm sorry, but Pay2Gay is not a good option. Even if it's available for both genders. As it has been said, if OGRs come for free, than paying for SGRs is not good. It looks horrid, to say the least.

Plus, I hope you saw the quote from David Gaider. He said flat out that re-working an existing companion is cheaper and easier than writing whole new ones. I can't see one new companion ending up in the Cartel Market, much less two.

Again, we're debating the same things we have literally all year. We're after an answer. I've seen these arguments bounce around so much over the last year it's gotten heartbreaking.

We are done being told by various other players that:

• The romances suck anyways.
   
  
• There always more important things, no matter what.
   
  
• Possible SGRs in Makeb are why there is no expansion to class story.
   
  
• It's a waste to write romances that are SGR.
   
  
• Reason X, Y, Z why it isn't in the game from any non BW employee.
   
  
• It'll make the extreme right wing too upset.
   
  
• EA treats all of it's customers like crap.
   
  
• It'll make the players too angry.
   
  
• Companion X is straight
   
  
• Only a minority wants them.
   
  
• Anyone claims we said it should go ahead of bug fixes.
   
  
• Think of the children!
  

This right here is why BioWare needs to tell us such. Officially, publicly with no room for doubt. Any answer that comes from Hickman's mouth is what needs to be said. They haven't even said anything directly since March.

Once we can any sort of answer, we'll know where to go from there. And honestly, we just want them to acknowledge that they talked about it once upon a time.

I'm not looking for a yes. I am hoping for one, but I have no idea what to expect at this point.

Most of us could handle a "No" or (just like with the Guild Ships) "Not in the foreseeable future." Most of us would shrug, admit that we at least tried and move on with our game time. Some of us, like me, would stick around. Others I know would be gone and never come back. However, I would at least quit being such a bee in BW's bonnet.

What I am asking, no matter what answer from BW-Austin is:

What is the status of same sex relationships?

What about getting them to answer that question is unreasonable after a year after Launch and 9 months since anything direct was said?

Yeah but here's the thing, that actual fact. Do we know what BW are doing? Do you? I don't =( As much as I would love to wallow in the what if's and buts, they've pulled some exemplary chestnuts out in regard to community and content. Not perfect no, but people still moan about WoW and that's a basic "bring me 10 pigs " grind till endgame and a bit "LOOOOOL NOOOOB, your gear is ****" fest. This game doesn't encourage that.

 

But yeah doc is already gay for me.

To be clear I'm not wallowing in ifs and buts, and I'm willing to wait for quality content. My issue is their utter lack of communication about this. Limited communication I can take. It's a hot-button issue and they want to avoid spoilers, I get that, but the only things they've deigned to release have been, with the exception of the Guild Summit, utterly deniable. 'Gabe didn't know what he was talking about as it's not his area' would be extremely easy for them to say if SGRAs aren't in the expansion. Not only that but even the Guild Summit is now completely deniable: they can easily claim that none of that information stands because of staffing changes and so forth.

But they haven't even spoken to us enough to deny anything.

No. I don't know what BW:A is doing. But I do know one thing they're not doing, and that's communicating.

No, you see, I'm not wallowing. I'm angry. And I think every pro-SGRA player has a right to be angry because of that lack of communication. Not having the content in yet, well, there could be many reasons for that, but BW:A is continually insulting us by refusing to tell us anything at all and while they're under no requirement to do so - it's their game, they don't even have to have forums for it if they don't want to - they have no right to reasonably expect us to be anything but angry over this.

When they do put the content in (yes, I still believe they will, making me one of the more optimistic long-term posters here) they hopefully won't expect us to shower them with praise. 'This is great content but it took way too long and you managed the wait horribly' is the very best they should expect as reactions go. And that's only if the content IS great.

Except, I don't think you can choose to not have Alistair, but apart from him you can have an all female crew. You can't have an all male crew either, since Morrigan is locked in as well, even though she's a horrible human being.

Nope, neither is locked in. The overall story requires them but you can do the running around and face-smashing parts without either of them. I usually leave Morrigan out completely and just woo her with gifts in the party camp because she irritates me. Then I don't need to deal with her until the endgame.

Kioma, you read my mind mate! I am also one of the few remaining optimistic posters, but like you, I'm not satisfied with just hope. They need to speak up. Also, I think they'll make a lot more players angry if they keep silent and just spring this on the player base. The utter quiet is bad enough.

With DA--yep, you can tick Morrigan off enough to get her to leave. And you can choose to get rid of Alistar near the end of the game. Morrigan I liked for her snark, but I always left her at camp for my "goodie-two-shoe" quests.

Kioma, you read my mind mate! I am also one of the few remaining optimistic posters, but like you, I'm not satisfied with just hope. They need to speak up. Also, I think they'll make a lot more players angry if they keep silence and just spring this on the player base. The utter quiet is bad enough.

<nods> This is where we're at, yes. I don't think we're pessimistic at all. In fact I think we're very optimistic. Heck, I'm still paying a subscription even though I'm not playing the game much any more. I pre-ordered the expansion, too; again, optimism.

But we're not going to sit by twiddling our thumbs saying this doesn't get old. It does. We're not even BW:A-bashing, we're making constructive criticism over issues we see with how this company is dealing with this.

Far from being pessimists, I feel we're critical optimists.

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What about getting them to answer that question is unreasonable after a year after Launch and 9 months since anything direct was said?

You said they shouldnt remove content. I was agreeing with you. Hence the "yeah" But I could see how that comes off differently.

This is BW's first MMO, and thusly they made the first mistake...saying "Yeah, we plan to put it in later."

What they need to do is come out and say "Look. We may or may not. We have no set date for it's arrival if we do add it."

Basically, telling a MMO playerbase you will add anything is the worst thing a MMO publisher can do. They should of said then "It's not in right now. No idea if it will be. Maybe it will."

Just saying "We'll try to get it in" would have players saying almost the same thing now "You said you would, so when?" "We said we'd try." "Same thing!"

Save the "This is what is being added" till they're ready to have it in actual testing.

As for the Pay2Gay option...first, I find it sad people have come up with this term. Second, when I said it, I figured it'd be like the other companion, free to subscribers, f2p purchases the content, so not all would be paying for it.

Though, if it went that route and the subscriber unlocked it, I have no idea if unsubcribing would lock out the companion.

Still not against it, but still don't see how having SGR relation cutscenes with an NPC is worth having it be the deciding factor to an MMO. And truthfully, for those who say they're leaving if it doesn't come, has me thinking they'd leave after they went through all their SGR relations anyways, so why not spend the time on something that will keep those who actually want to play the game, around. Basically know where to spend the resources.

Of course, this could be what they're thinking, and it could be that it's just an item on the "to do list" that keeps getting pushed back.

Though why quit because it isnt here yet, and instead, have that OGR character building up creds, so you can be ready to lavish gifts upon your future companion?

That's all well and good, but this thread isn't to justify why SGRs should or should not exist. Funny how that is forgotten. It's about them communicating and giving their players clarity. No answer is not acceptable. We can speculate all day long about why they haven't talked or put it in. That no longer concerns me. They need to say something.

I'm not going to apologize for my anger towards BioWare. I don't want to hear other posters/players make excuses for them. They need to say something.

If they make players pay just to get a companion for SGRs, that is PayForGay. That expression came up back in January as a concern that BioWare would charge just for SGRs. This was before I even started posting in late February. The term came back up as the pre-order for Makeb hit.

For what SGRs can bring to a struggling MMO, I can mention one huge thing going for them.

It's something no other MMO can touch much less have. It's a change of view the gamer community as a whole needs; open acceptance for all kinds of players. And yes, steps like including SGRs in a MMO can go a really long way to doing some much needed eye opening later down the road.

Full-voiced and animated AI with romances for OGR and SGR? That's something no one else could claim, especially with a lot of the mentality in the gamer culture....The open-mindedness would actually draw in a lot of people I think.

I'm sorry if you can't see why it's a make or break point. It isn't for me either, but it is for some. There is a lot of make or break points for other people that made no sense to me. Some people leave due to all kinds of multiple reasons also. I try not to judge one way or another.

It isn't the lack of implementation. From where I sit, it's two things that are driving some posters away.

The fact the BioWare won't even mention that they talked about it. At all. They don't need to say even "yes," or "no." They need to say if it's being worked on, or on hold indefinately. Like they have done with just about everything else they talked about since the Guild Summit.

Also, many posters including myself got very angry at the EA article. They've had since March to publicly either treat it like the Guild Ships (sorry, not in the foreseeable future,) or like Cathars (it's coming, we just don't know when.) I still think it's really messed up to remain dead silent on the issue of SGRs after every single employee that publicly talked about it left. It's worse when EA starts spouting off how much they love providing LGBT content and then ignore a part of that playerbase.

This seems to escape many people: We had to go and correct an article that said that SGRs were already in ToR. Did EA say that? Probably not directly, but they did allow it to get published. They also have such comments talking about their decision to add gay content in ToR. I'll link you the article if you like; the correction notice is down at the bottom.

So yeah, people are pissed and rightfully so. Between being ignored and being used for good PR, the pro-SGR community is writing the press.

Granted, BioWare made the mistake of starting it, but that means they have a responsibility to address it. No sympathy or even pity from me anymore.

For my Jedi, I did roll a male toon reluctantly to try my first OGR. It didn't bother me to do so, but I was unhappy that I had to just to try the romance without bleeping Doc.

Also, I really hope you weren't asking the members of the gay and lesbian community to just try OGRs...

Many of the posters here aren't leveling at all because they don't want story spoilers.

I can safely say the entire thread doesn't want to be forced to roll the opposite gender. I only did because Doc frankly sucked. He hit on my character and he was enough to get me to reroll. I went after Kira because I preferred her personality and I was unhappy that I had to reroll. I would have liked to stay female and actually romance the minion I wanted to, rather than be forced to either reroll or deal with a slime bag that I loathed from his first lines of dialogue.

So for them, it's either get in SGRs or the game has nothing at all for them. Why level a class when you can't play the game the way you were promised you could? Some people don't play PvP or do Ops or space missions. Some are just in it for the class story, including the romances. Take that away and there is zero reason for some of the posters to play.

Not only will the romances be a little different (if any of the information we do have is still true,) but they shouldn't have to. I don't understand what is so wrong with this. Also, there some posters that are fearful of men, so to ask them to roll up a guy just to experience romance content is pretty selfish.

Players can make up excuses for BioWare all day, but I'm going to demand an answer. Nothing I have read or heard thus far has justified why BW won't give any sort of answer at all. That is wrong

I really don't care why they haven't answered at this point. I don't even care if the answer is positive or negative. I don't care why players think they may or may not include it.

I only care about BioWare addressing the playerbase directly.

Unless anyone works for BioWare, then we still don't have any sort of answer.

Good evening to you! How was your holiday?

Happy (belated) Boxing Day!

I can't tell if you're trolling, but nice to see ya nevertheless. I've seen ya around the forums; I really enjoy some of your guides. I'm still torn about whether to level my assassin or my shadow.

If you are going to post, please don't just boo little ol me. That doesn't add anything to the conversation and I'm honestly not sure why you are. If it's something I've said, please feel free to pick apart my words. Coming in for just two words to rip on someone is a great way to have your posts visited by David Copperfield.

In any case, thanks for coming back to the thread just to say hello. I hope you had a great holiday.

Oh no, NO MORE ROMANCE.

Developers please put your efforts in other gameplay and content BEFORE any romance. I don't care about romance options at all, please don't waste time into extending romance, be it straight or homosexual.

Romance is fine as it is. Personal I never used it accept for maybe a (short ) fun factor in picking 'flirt' options and see what happens. One time or so...

Better extend Dark/Light more maybe or switching sides. I don't know... Whatever. But no virtual romance :S

Amazing, isn't it? How you can put it in the opening post, and repeat it five or six times every four pages, and repeat over and over and over again that BioWare has said that s/s romance is coming and this thread is not the place to try to argue that it shouldn't, and people will still hop into the thread like some teenager slamming the door open to make his dramatic entrance into a room and announce KEEP THE ICKY GAY AWAY OH NOES like he's offering some kind of incredible, vital new insight and not the exact same tired tedious tripe that his equally bilge-filled ilk have been shoveling since day one of the first incarnation of this thread.

I will admit to a certain fondness to the disingenuous "no really it's that I don't like any romance even though you know I tried and enjoyed a bit of the straight ones but only I should be allowed to do that not you gay gaymos" argument, though. It has a certain subtlety to it that can pull the unwary in, like a reverse form of concern trolling.

I've got a greatest hits list of anti-SGR excuses, some valid, most not. Many of them amuse me to one extent or another.

All I can say is that some must come in here because no one can keep an anti-SGR thread open. I've seen a few out there try. But eh, enough feeding.

I'm trying to come up with a subject line for my letter to tie everything together. If anyone has any ideas, please let me know.

My patience is too low to participate, but I now see where the new supporters, the new detractors and the new trolls are coming from. How long will it last? Place your bets!

There is no civility in that thread already; I'm just watching it and wondering how bad it's gonna get this time.

Apparently the new slogan is, "Remove all romances." Somehow, I don't think that is going to happen no matter what. The people that, "are sick of it," for the most part started hearing about this a month ago. It's not like BW-Austin has talked about this before, right?

Ugh. Got a copy and pasted answer from this thread over there.

I know why I bother, but it isn't easy sometimes. One part of all of this that makes me smile is that the more people post in support or protest, the more the press talks about it at all, the more likely we are to get an answer within the next couple of weeks.

The trolls are sick of hearing about it? I'm betting BioWare is much more so and they have the power to resolve much of this. Hopefully they'll get the picture soon.

This could have been avoided with either earlier inclusion or, barring that, a public word from a current high ranking developer/manager.

Nope, neither is locked in. The overall story requires them but you can do the running around and face-smashing parts without either of them. I usually leave Morrigan out completely and just woo her with gifts in the party camp because she irritates me. Then I don't need to deal with her until the endgame.

By locked in I meant you're required to keep them in your party camp at least. The other companions you can either choose to recruit at all, send on their way, or kill off, except for those two.

By locked in I meant you're required to keep them in your party camp at least. The other companions you can either choose to recruit at all, send on their way, or kill off, except for those two.

Alistair is the only locked companion, and even him you can get rid of before the end of the game (although admittedly so near it as to make little difference if you really loathe him; fifty hours into a sixty hour game probably doesn't count). You can tell Morrigan to beat it the very first time you make camp. You don't even have to piss her off. Just tell her to go and she does. I don't know why you would, she's fantastic and without her Alistair is incredibly obnoxious (just as she's fairly obnoxious without Alistair; they sort of need each other to bounce off of in order to make their worst traits sympathetic), but the option is there.

On-topic... I agree that threads in General tend to be exhausting and fetid, but I feel like it's still important to bump them. BioWare needs to know that it's not just our little ghetto here that wants answers and has interest in this feature.