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BonnerFett
04.08.2020 , 12:37 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterAlex View Post
I'd caution you on that though. It's true that for a period of a few weeks there was some team ranked going on. But it was still coordinated among the teams when to queue. And that limited activity seems to have slowed down by this point. You won't be able to just get a team and hop in queue whenever you want and get pops unfortunately.
Ahh thank you for the insight....

Seems like I need to find a new game. As a former WOW player and die-hard pvper there just isn't enough people queing ranked. Regs is fun but not the same. Such a bummer as I really love this game. Has almost everything I was looking for MMO, Star Wars, awesome classes, easy gearing.... just not able to play the PVP aspect. Damn.

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Lhancelot
04.08.2020 , 12:42 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterAlex View Post
Loath as I am to agree with him, this is well put. Prum was in many of the games last night during the time in question.
See, that's where we different. I don't "loath" facts, no matter who spits them.

As much as we may disagree about stuff, I actually don't dislike you, I don't know you at all so how could anything you write create an emotion such as loathing in me? That's beyond my imagination tbh.

As far as I know, our only differences regarding the game really are our opinions on solo ranked, I can't recall ever hurting your feelings with something personal to make you "loath" my words or me. (Guess it shows who has real world problems and who doesn't?)

lol w/e. I don't have the energy for grudges over differences in opinion over a game and such. If you write something I agree with, I am happy to say so, just like if I do not agree with something you write, I happily will say so.

***I am glad you at least seen a common enemy per se on the forums so you backed up my claim regarding him on that one. That's cool. If the truth hurts grin and bear it.
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Lhancelot
04.08.2020 , 12:54 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by BonnerFett View Post
Ahh thank you for the insight....

Seems like I need to find a new game. As a former WOW player and die-hard pvper there just isn't enough people queing ranked. Regs is fun but not the same. Such a bummer as I really love this game. Has almost everything I was looking for MMO, Star Wars, awesome classes, easy gearing.... just not able to play the PVP aspect. Damn.
Yeah, and ironically instead of agreeing that ranked needs a complete overhaul and recommendations on how to make it better, the so-called overlord ranked constituents rather argue that my words are not nice enough to garner change and that, well, it's not nearly as bad as I say it is.

If it's not that bad, and in need of just some "minor tweaks" why don't these guys actually create a post or two to ssupport the idea of changing it?

How come team ranked is completely dead now?

Why is solo ranked nothing but the same small cabal of child-like manbabies crapping it up with their toxic garbage chat and awful ingame behavior towards other players who aren't in their little edgelord clique?

Basically anyone that isn't part of their wintrading schemes they troll them out of ranked so they can keep it easy to control and manage with the same known actors who been doing it for years. Pretty pathetic, tbh.

Honestly it seems to me the "PVP channel" is really just another reddit type channel where little kiddie edgelords can spew toxic vitriol at anyone that is on fleet who gets the enjoyment of reading what they write when that channel is left open.

Most people turn off the PVP channel I realize, but I think it's ridiculous to close a channel just because of a small group of children that use it for the wrong purposes. BW ought to do something about that. I know if I had kids, I wouldn't want them on this game reading what some of these manchildren spew in the chat channels of ranked and the PVP channels.

I'd like BW to take control of that facet of the game, too. Some of the chat is ridiculously offensive now, and a lot of it is coming from these ranked players I noticed.

I just wish the other gamers understood that it's not all PVPers that act this way, it's a very small group of players that behave so badly. They just happen to be players that enjoy 4v4s and ranked PVP on SWTOR. They do not represent all PVPers.
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JediMasterAlex
04.08.2020 , 02:29 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Lhancelot View Post
See, that's where we different. I don't "loath" facts, no matter who spits them.
The word "loath," meaning reluctant or unwilling, is totally different from the word "loathe," to feel intense dislike or disgust for. I was agreeing with Prum's statement about you. Prum and I were both in many of the games last night, and there was nothing fishy going on. Hopefully that clears up your confusion here.

Quote: Originally Posted by Lhancelot View Post
Basically anyone that isn't part of their wintrading schemes they troll them out of ranked so they can keep it easy to control and manage with the same known actors who been doing it for years. Pretty pathetic, tbh.
I can use myself as an example here. A certain segment of the ranked community on SF don't like me at all, for a host of reasons. I unapologetically tank tunnel where appropriate; I call out wintraders and bigots, even those claiming to be "reformed." I've also been critical of anyone touting team ranked achievements, and couldn't care less what the "relevant" players think, which really annoys some of them. And then there's nikana, who I often troll because it's hilarious how mad he gets all the time lol.

Anyway, the point is I am in no way a part of any "cabal." Yet I play as much solo ranked as anyone on SF, and I almost always have fun doing it. I have only witnessed wintrading on SF a handful of times early in this season by a repeat offender. Since then, I've seen nothing even remotely obvious. And there is no one suspicious rising really high in rating either. If there were any reason to be suspicious of wintrading, I would be the first one to point it out.

I've been thrown on and/or kicked probably about a dozen times total over the course of the season. That may seem like a lot, but that's out of over 1000 matches played.

Quote: Originally Posted by Lhancelot View Post
Honestly it seems to me the "PVP channel" is really just another reddit type channel where little kiddie edgelords can spew toxic vitriol at anyone that is on fleet who gets the enjoyment of reading what they write when that channel is left open.
Honestly, probably 95% of the toxicity you see in the pvp channel on SF stems from one person (rhymes with bikana) that trolls that chat all the time on different toons. His main account was permabanned a few months ago, but he's been back for a while now.

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thomasgtott
04.08.2020 , 08:32 PM | #25
Ranked has become incredibly toxic which causes a lot of people to walk away from it. And then the queue pops less and less often. No surprise.

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Lhancelot
04.09.2020 , 03:08 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by thomasgtott View Post
Ranked has become incredibly toxic which causes a lot of people to walk away from it. And then the queue pops less and less often. No surprise.
Succinct. And true! ^

For some reason guys like Al don't grasp this though, their personal obsession with ranked shinies has made them wear blinders and pretend all the toxicity from the ranked community is a myth.

I guess these guys are so impressionable and weak, when an internet bully like this guy who's name rhymes with "Chikana" (that also starts with an "N" letter, you know, because it's funny having a name as close to the N word as possible) the weak have to join and support him so that they are not bullied, it's a cycle I get it.

It's pretty simple to see why so many of these guys have fallen in with your toxic ranked pied piper you mentioned, in fact I feel more sorry for them than anything they are just trying to fit in and without anyone to protect them they are left with little other options.

As for this behavior, somehow, we are supposed to believe that this abhorrent behavior only goes so far as chat though, it doesn't trickle down into how they interact with others. It doesn't trickle down into the games.

This is clearly false.. We all know these bullies actually take their shtick into the matches too, even going so far as to now ruining regs since they have already ruined ranked with their toxicity and that game mode no longer pops.

How do we know? Oh, I can give a nice example of what these individuals are now doing to ruin reg matches now.

All yesterday morning and afternoon, we had more than one premade of ranked heroes deliberately sabotaging regs, not playing objectively just farming numbers at mid no matter where or what match. They not only did that, they took the ball, carried it around in Huttball matches, and then just passed it back and forth the entire duration. In fact, they didn't even bother scoring not once, although they were so much stronger than the opposing regs team they were able to hold the ball the entire duration of the match, not losing it once.

This behavior is spearheaded by members of the ranked community who others follow. Naturally, now we have a bunch of this crap going on because BW hasn't stepped in and taken care of these toxic individuals, but I will not fully blame them. I get it that people are probably intimidated by these bullying children, especially other young players who are easy to manipulate and intimidate via peer pressure and the likes.

I am going to start petitioning them. I will encourage my guild to do the same, and i will ask my friends to petition these children now, because obviously no one else is or I believe BW would have done something before now to stop some of this uncalled for behavior.

Seriously. I have never seen so many racist, nasty comments made in an open chat channel on a game in all my time of playing games. Even WOW wasn't this bad years ago in "Barrens Chat." No way this behavior isn't what we see plaguing ranked, too.

There's no way people are carrying on like this and it not trickling into the matches etc., which we know it is now because we are getting to see how these guys interact with other gamers just by how they are now queing regs PVP and deliberately not playing objectives, laughing and taunting people who do, and then crying about how their "4s stopped popping" and so now they feel an obligation to premade it up in regs and just ruin every game they can.

Maybe guys like Alex can encourage these pals of his to control their inner nihilism, sadism, whatever it is that spurs them on to try to make other people unhappy with their glee in ruining regs now? Seems like that's all they want to do after they destroyed their own niche on the game. RIP Ranked until some of these individuals are dealt with properly.




Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterAlex View Post
The word "loath," meaning reluctant or unwilling, is totally different from the word "loathe," to feel intense dislike or disgust for. I was agreeing with Prum's statement about you. Prum and I were both in many of the games last night, and there was nothing fishy going on. Hopefully that clears up your confusion here.



I can use myself as an example here. A certain segment of the ranked community on SF don't like me at all, for a host of reasons. I unapologetically tank tunnel where appropriate; I call out wintraders and bigots, even those claiming to be "reformed." I've also been critical of anyone touting team ranked achievements, and couldn't care less what the "relevant" players think, which really annoys some of them. And then there's nikana, who I often troll because it's hilarious how mad he gets all the time lol.

Anyway, the point is I am in no way a part of any "cabal." Yet I play as much solo ranked as anyone on SF, and I almost always have fun doing it. I have only witnessed wintrading on SF a handful of times early in this season by a repeat offender. Since then, I've seen nothing even remotely obvious. And there is no one suspicious rising really high in rating either. If there were any reason to be suspicious of wintrading, I would be the first one to point it out.

I've been thrown on and/or kicked probably about a dozen times total over the course of the season. That may seem like a lot, but that's out of over 1000 matches played.



Honestly, probably 95% of the toxicity you see in the pvp channel on SF stems from one person (rhymes with bikana) that trolls that chat all the time on different toons. His main account was permabanned a few months ago, but he's been back for a while now.
Yeah one night of "nothing fishy going on" hardly constitutes how things are regularly. You already confirmed my suspicions when you said earlier HE was on during those "interestingly late times at night."

I do believe you find this behavior abhorrent and you do not support it, I commend you for having some sort of moral fiber when many of your peers do not that's good, however what would be better is if you wouldn't sit silently while these kids do what they do, dude, send in petitions till it's addressed. Otherwise the game mode you like best is only going to continue to wither more and more. These social problems between players can and do have a negative impact on the game mode there's no doubt about it.

All that said, there's only one reason someone "abhors" what an individual says, and that's when they dislike someone. What other reason would there be to "loath" what someone writes or says? lol. Why are you dodging this? Just own it dude. I just wanted to point out how you honestly have no logical reason to loathe anything I write about someone else's potential shadiness especially when it's true and you agree with it. I never did anything to you to create something within you that justifies "loathing" anything I write, but carry on holding your grudge against me for some perceived slight if that makes you sleep better at night.

I also like the use of Olag's euphemism you used, I like to use it too, you know the "confused" bit when posed at another forum poster to pretend as if we are trying to help someone, when in reality we are just poking them a bit in jest. I bet you don't have the guts to admit that's what you are doing you will probably pretend that you genuinely are just trying to make things less confusing. No, you are not.

In reality, it seems only you and perhaps some of the younger more impressionable juvenile players are "confused" why ranked is so bad now, everyone else knows why, especially the hundreds of people who witness ranked chat and behavior throughout other facets of the game. We see how these guys behave and how they ruin their own game mode, and now they are taking that behavior into other parts of the game like regs to ruin that, too.

It's a sad day when an adult (assuming these guys are adults although I wonder) has nothing better to do with their time than to log into a game, and then deliberately ruin the fun of other gamers just because they can. Just because their own personal activity is dead, they have nothing else in life to do but destroy the fun other people have in a game. Let that sink in. How sick and problematic is this behavior? Pretty bad imo and it will only contribute to the game losing more subs because these clowns are taking their act to regs and chat channels on fleet where they spend all their time now.
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JediMasterAlex
04.09.2020 , 08:24 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Lhancelot View Post
For some reason guys like Al don't grasp this though, their personal obsession with ranked shinies has made them wear blinders and pretend all the toxicity from the ranked community is a myth.
It's not a myth. I've admitted multiples times that it's much worse this season than the previous two seasons combined. The excessive vote kicking is the main problem. But such "toxicity" problems have nothing to do with wintrading/cheating.

Quote: Originally Posted by Lhancelot View Post
I guess these guys are so impressionable and weak, when an internet bully like this guy who's name rhymes with "Chikana" (that also starts with an "N" letter, you know, because it's funny having a name as close to the N word as possible) the weak have to join and support him so that they are not bullied, it's a cycle I get it.
This is partially my fault for turning you on to this line of thinking, but nikana is not one of the ringleaders I was talking about in other posts. He's pretty much viewed as a joke by most of the ranked community.

Quote: Originally Posted by Lhancelot View Post
Maybe guys like Alex can encourage these pals of his to control their inner nihilism, sadism
In what universe are they my "pals"? I literally just spelled out in my previous post that virtually all of the bad actors in ranked (still a small minority of the ranked community) don't like me, and I don't like them. This isn't complicated. I spent that entire thread arguing with solow calling them out for their ******** as you well know.

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Yeah one night of "nothing fishy going on" hardly constitutes how things are regularly. You already confirmed my suspicions when you said earlier HE was on during those "interestingly late times at night."
One night...IT'S EVERY NIGHT. Virtually every night of this entire season, games are going until 2am or later. These games are all legit, and they include many ranked regulars. I play on a lot of those nights. I almost always go to bed when it's still popping. No one is queueing that late to wintrade. You want to know how I know that? Because I play in those games and there is no wintrading happening in them. As in, I have direct evidence that what you're saying is nonsense. If you think there are wintraders in SF solo ranked right now, please give me some names because I'd love to know who it is.

You seriously have issues you need to work out regarding solo ranked. I don't know what happened over a year ago in that week to scar you so badly, but you should work it out.

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All that said, there's only one reason someone "abhors" what an individual says, and that's when they dislike someone. What other reason would there be to "loath" what someone writes or says? lol. Why are you dodging this? Just own it dude. I just wanted to point out how you honestly have no logical reason to loathe anything I write about someone else's potential shadiness especially when it's true and you agree with it. I never did anything to you to create something within you that justifies "loathing" anything I write, but carry on holding your grudge against me for some perceived slight if that makes you sleep better at night.
Um...this is getting weird. Did you read my post where I pointed out the difference between the words "loath" and "loathe"? And when I wrote that word it wasn't even referring to you...lol this is honestly kind of incredible. I have no grudge against you, nor do I hate you.

Quote: Originally Posted by Lhancelot View Post
In reality, it seems only you and perhaps some of the younger more impressionable juvenile players are "confused" why ranked is so bad now, everyone else knows why, especially the hundreds of people who witness ranked chat and behavior throughout other facets of the game. We see how these guys behave and how they ruin their own game mode, and now they are taking that behavior into other parts of the game like regs to ruin that, too.
My only point of "confusion" is why people don't start queueing earlier like they used to. Your answer "they queue late to wintrade" is patently false. I know exactly what happens in ranked, because I play in it. You have no clue what happens in ranked because you don't. it's that simple.

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It's a sad day when an adult (assuming these guys are adults although I wonder) has nothing better to do with their time than to log into a game, and then deliberately ruin the fun of other gamers just because they can. Just because their own personal activity is dead, they have nothing else in life to do but destroy the fun other people have in a game. Let that sink in. How sick and problematic is this behavior? Pretty bad imo and it will only contribute to the game losing more subs because these clowns are taking their act to regs and chat channels on fleet where they spend all their time now.
I believe that some of the more toxic ranked players would ruin regs matches on purpose. But that has nothing to do with what happens in ranked matches themselves.

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ajiehblr
04.13.2020 , 03:50 AM | #28
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In reality, it seems only you and perhaps some of the younger more impressionable juvenile players are "confused" why ranked is so bad now, everyone else knows why, especially the hundreds of people who witness ranked chat and behavior throughout other facets of the game. We see how these guys behave and how they ruin their own game mode, and now they are taking that behavior into other parts of the game like regs to ruin that, too.
Why don't we speak about "good" players who go to try ranked PvP without any knowledge about how to PvP? Are these "good" players make PvP better? You think it's enjoyable to participate in games with such "good" players? Oh wait - you can play this game as you want. I see... And don't pretend that no one ever seen healer or tank quit FP or raid when you can't kill the boss 3 times in a row. PvE isn't that much different for SR dude. If you can't handle a pressure of a MMO maybe you shouldn't play such games as it's clear you are taking it too serious. No one likes to lose and it's normal to rage about it. Actually it's better than trying to keep it inside yourself XD

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Lhancelot
04.13.2020 , 12:19 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by ajiehblr View Post
Why don't we speak about "good" players who go to try ranked PvP without any knowledge about how to PvP? Are these "good" players make PvP better? You think it's enjoyable to participate in games with such "good" players? Oh wait - you can play this game as you want. I see... And don't pretend that no one ever seen healer or tank quit FP or raid when you can't kill the boss 3 times in a row. PvE isn't that much different for SR dude. If you can't handle a pressure of a MMO maybe you shouldn't play such games as it's clear you are taking it too serious. No one likes to lose and it's normal to rage about it. Actually it's better than trying to keep it inside yourself XD
Your comment to my post seems to have nothing to do with anything I wrote about. Did you accidentally quote me and meant for someone else's quote to be there? I don't see what I wrote has anything to do with what you wrote.

I don't care if someone "rages" about losing none of what we are discussing is about that.
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Evolixe
04.13.2020 , 03:13 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by ajiehblr View Post
Why don't we speak about "good" players who go to try ranked PvP without any knowledge about how to PvP? Are these "good" players make PvP better? You think it's enjoyable to participate in games with such "good" players? Oh wait - you can play this game as you want. I see... And don't pretend that no one ever seen healer or tank quit FP or raid when you can't kill the boss 3 times in a row. PvE isn't that much different for SR dude. If you can't handle a pressure of a MMO maybe you shouldn't play such games as it's clear you are taking it too serious. No one likes to lose and it's normal to rage about it. Actually it's better than trying to keep it inside yourself XD
Complaining about someones performance is one thing. Telling (not even asking, telling) them to stop queueing, throwing direct insults and being generally toxic is another.

The world doesn't revolve around a single individual. Instead of raging about it, you could make an effort to try and help these players rather than chase them out the door.


Spend a few hours queuing SR yesterday and had a few good games. And a few less great ones where the experience was worsened by a handful of people thinking the world of themselves and then going on a raging spree.
Only to then face them the next game and have them find out there aren't any more human than anyone else

Some people meme about it. But there are a bunch of them that are serious and they could use a serious reality check.
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