Anyone know if there is such a thing, or what my targets should be for crits, surge, and power? Also is there any idea of preference?

 

I'm thinking Crit -> Power -> Surge?

 

Looking for numerical inputs and thoughts on that hypothesized secondary stat prioirty.

I would hazard a guess that if you are going to focus on crit (which you should), surge would be the logical secondary stat to compliment it the most.

Well crit is a percentage where as power is constant. I would figure Power would be the first until you hit diminishing returns.

jbrdude and I are currently parsing data to find the necessary amount of power before crit and surge take precedence.

Awesome, looking forward to your theorycrafting results. Where are you planning on posting these? You have a site or going to make a thread here?

jbrdude and I are currently parsing data to find the necessary amount of power before crit and surge take precedence.

 

So this is interesting. Did you mean accuracy instead of power? As a base modifier to all other damage output power makes sense, but I also did not put accuracy in here, and I have recently started to put some focus on it - if you aren't hitting, then ultimately crit, surge, and power all would be failing to live up to the potential as we wouldn't be getting the most bang for the buck using the rationale that if you don't hit, then all that potential damage gained from surge, crit, and power go away simply by missing? There is also the question of alacrity, and determining what the cap is for it, though I think alacrity is going to be the lowest priority stat? Unless there is a massive increase from snipe cast, sos ticks, etc..

 

So maybe the priority is Accuracy to "cap" -> power -> Crit to "cap" -> surge -> alacrity?

Rough estimate from sithwarrior.com

 

1. Accuracy, up until soft cap
   
2. Surge, up until 200
   
3. Crit, up until 300
   
4. Cunning
   
5. Crit, up until 400
   
6. Surge, up until 250
   
7. Power
   
8. Crit, beyond 400
   
9. Surge, beyond 250
   
10. Accuracy, beyond soft cap
    

 

It's nothing final yet, and it's near impossible to make solid stuff without combat details; but this is as close as it gets at the moment. And the reasoning behind it is solid.

 

Power sucks quite a bit.

For myself I put these easy guidelines to start with:

 

Surge > Crit > Cunning > Power; that's just for leveling where I don't need accuracy.

Edited January 1, 2012 by _Nyth

And for level 50 gear?

Rough estimate from sithwarrior.com

 

1. Accuracy, up until soft cap
   
2. Surge, up until 200
   
3. Crit, up until 300
   
4. Cunning
   
5. Crit, up until 400
   
6. Surge, up until 250
   
7. Power
   
8. Crit, beyond 400
   
9. Surge, beyond 250
   
10. Accuracy, beyond soft cap
    

 

It's nothing final yet, and it's near impossible to make solid stuff without combat details; but this is as close as it gets at the moment. And the reasoning behind it is solid.

 

Power sucks quite a bit.

For myself I put these easy guidelines to start with:

 

Surge > Crit > Cunning > Power; that's just for leveling where I don't need accuracy.

 

Surge is never > crit because for surge to be effective you need Crit.

 

IMO as a healer(similar concept except you need Acc) i do Crit>Power>surge, i don't count cunning.. because its a given on my equipment.

It works both ways there. Crit isn't very good without surge because the base rate is only 150%.

It works both ways there. Crit isn't very good without surge because the base rate is only 150%.

 

Not for healers.

http://www.jedilace.com/2012/02/02/primary-and-secondary-attribute-scaling/

 

I like to pump up power first than crit since power increases your base damage.

http://www.jedilace.com/2012/02/02/primary-and-secondary-attribute-scaling/

 

I like to pump up power first than crit since power increases your base damage.

 

Thanks for linking that blog, I was looking for something like that for long time.

You should focus on Cunning and Power first from a pure damage/healing perspective. Then about 230 Surge before you get any Crit.

 

Now, if you have other effects from crit then that may vary.

this will also help from sithwarrior.com

 

http://sithwarrior.com/forums/Thread-Marksman-Sniper-Compendium?pid=14891#pid14891

Crit first then surge power is negligable.

 

Crit has no diminishing return.

 

Surge has a stacking diminishing return after 73% crit multiplier - means the bonus you gain from it gets much worse the higher you go. This includes relics/adrenals.

 

I know a sniper with 45% crit chance and 77% crit multiplier

 

510 crit rating

 

didn't ask what his surge rating was but I know with 169-180 surge rating it's ~70-73% crit multiplier.

 

At 70% crit multiplier a 220 crit and surge relic has the following effects

 

Crit is increased by 6-7%

 

Surge Crit Multiplier is increased by 7% (77% crit multiplier)

 

This sniper hits 7k crits regularly and is in end game gear full rakata or BM.

 

He stacks crit and surge and has nearly 1000 max primary damage that's 1000.00 on his max damage... it's actually like 970-980ish

Crit first then surge power is negligable.

 

Crit has no diminishing return.

 

Surge has a stacking diminishing return after 73% crit multiplier - means the bonus you gain from it gets much worse the higher you go. This includes relics/adrenals.

 

I know a sniper with 45% crit chance and 77% crit multiplier

 

510 crit rating

 

didn't ask what his surge rating was but I know with 169-180 surge rating it's ~70-73% crit multiplier.

 

At 70% crit multiplier a 220 crit and surge relic has the following effects

 

Crit is increased by 6-7%

 

Surge Crit Multiplier is increased by 7% (77% crit multiplier)

 

This sniper hits 7k crits regularly and is in end game gear full rakata or BM.

 

He stacks crit and surge and has nearly 1000 max primary damage that's 1000.00 on his max damage... it's actually like 970-980ish

 

Crit does have a diminishing returns, all stats except power have diminishing returns. What makes it look like crit doesn't is most of your crit comes from cunning and not crit rating. Crit rating caps at 30% (hard caps) crit from cunning or primary stat caps at 30% surge is not worth stacking past 75% (imho) the DR gets to heavy for to little gain. Power never ever suffers from DR's.

 

THis is why at a certain point power becomes the best stat. From what I've seen it's around 40% crit and 75% surge. Accuracy is borked. I can sit at 95% accuracy or 99.9% and see no misses to any specials. the only thing that will see a miss is rifle shot which is such a small amount of dam it's not even worth mentioning.

power and surge is best for dps for marauder anyway