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Stradlin
01.15.2016 , 09:12 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by ImmortalLowlife View Post
Add controller/joystick support, and I'll give it another shot. But the current control scheme is imho.....GARBAGE. You loose a LOT of players off this aspect alone.
This is you asking for features that are excellent in some *other* engine.

GSF flight engine, as it stands is actually pure gold. It works like a charm and has utterly unexpected amounts of sophistication and detail going. To a degree where space shooting in the new Battlefront felt like a huge downgrade in terms of depth.

GSF was designed for m+kb from the ground up, and I can imagine this would result in all other solutions feeling kinda unwelcome and weird. In current flight engine, I'm quite sure using joystick (not to mention a pad..) would put you in a major disadvantage. More arcade the flight engine, harder it is to find reasons to use a joystick for it. Star Citizen forums have lots of very disappointed owners of expensive Joystick+HOTAs combos, who to their horror realize that ultimately, they prove most accurate and lethal with mouse instead.


Everybody is perfectly free to like/hate GSF as much as they like, it certainly not for everyone and all that. Still, I'd like to underline that if you dislike it due to perceived notion that current engine and control scheme are garbage , it is you being a new pilot, not engine being dysfunctional or bad in any objective fashion.

I have never heard of a pilot who wouldn't have been pretty bad in GSF towards the beginning. GSF isn't Falcon 4.0 in space or anything, but there absolutely is bit of a learning curve. On the other hand, it comes with utterly worthless in-game tutorials that don't really give you opportunity to learn anything much. It makes an unfortunate combination.

Guides section of the site in my signature has a decent collection of links to some good video tutorials and the like for GSF.
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ImmortalLowlife
01.15.2016 , 09:21 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Lendul View Post
I am not sure it would help even if they did. The joystick people would still find themselves at significant disadvantage to the keyboard and mouse players. In a true flight sim this would not be the case, but GSF can not really be considered a flight sim and was never intended to be one because there are not enough physics in place to categorize it as such. GSF is more of a twitch shooter which is what Bioware has always called it "Space Combat".
Up, down, left, & right....those are the only physics they need. No-one is asking for full 360 flight sim range of motion. Just an alternative to that "chase the cursor" mouse control they got now.


Quote: Originally Posted by Stradlin View Post
...Everybody is perfectly free to like/hate GSF as much as they like, it certainly not for everyone and all that. Still, I'd like to underline that if you dislike it due to perceived notion that current engine and control scheme are garbage , it is you being a new pilot, not engine being dysfunctional or bad in any objective fashion....
You sound like someone who's spent the majority of his gaming life playing with a kb/mouse. As someone who's spent 99.9% of my gaming time over the last 35 years playing with a controller I completely disagree. The thing is....regardless of what they (the Devs) intended, GSF IS AN UTTER FAILURE. One of the BIGGEST complaints and reasons it failed is the controls. When it launched there were countless threads with people asking for the same thing I am.

And personally I don't think that keyboard players would have an advantage for very long. Some of us are a LOT more comfortable with a controller than a mouse. If anything, we'd be the ones with an advantage. Either way, it'd mean a lot of new players in GSF ques.
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Lendul
01.15.2016 , 10:21 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by ImmortalLowlife View Post
Either way, it'd mean a lot of new players in GSF ques.
If they added joystick support would you continue to play even if you had a disadvantage? Hypothetically of course

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TX_Angel
01.15.2016 , 10:40 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Greezt View Post
Understandably, Gsf isn't your top priority at the moment.

I'd love to know what you have in store for Gsf. Please let us know, in forums or in the next dev stream.

Thanks
Top priority? It isn't even bottom priority... It has been scuttled, never to be touched again...

Seriously, I play GSF several times a week, I actually like GSF, but I'm not blind, it has been abandoned.
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mudmobile
01.15.2016 , 10:49 AM | #15
I would so love for them to return it to what it was in the first month or so before all the, shall we say "tweaks", began.

I have always been a big fan of GSF even though they kept trying to make me hate it with all the lets kill GS "tweaks". Sadly there came a point where I stopped playing it.

It would be good to see them put some life back into it.
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Stradlin
01.15.2016 , 10:55 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by ImmortalLowlife View Post
You sound like someone who's spent the majority of his gaming life playing with a kb/mouse. As someone who's spent 99.9% of my gaming time over the last 35 years playing with a controller I completely disagree.

Ever thought there is a huge flipside to this? If only 0.1% of all your gaming has ever happened with kb+mouse, then I'm certain it must feel an utterly alien and hostile control solution for you almost by default. No wonder you find much to struggle in GSF controls then. It'd prolly get better in time.
I use quite a bit of pad myself and actually usually use it for the few FPS games I play. Yet, not in a million years would I ever claim it more accurate solution than M+KB.



Putting something in caps doesn't make it true. Every single larger server has an extremely vibrant community around GSF. That is not to say it wouldn't absolutely be a minority. In my books, successful MMO is all about having a large selection of different minorities doing their thing. Sometimes overlapping or intersecting. It is the very corner stone of making the world feel " large" in meaningful way. I don't enjoy the thought of being a hard core raider in TOR at all. No intention to ever do it. Yet, do I wish the game will always have it's hard core raiding community doing their thing and preferably being reasonably sizable, content and active? Absolutely.

Control scheme and flight engine of GSF are extremely high regard among it's fans. You always see said fans being extremely critical towards their favorite past time. You always see people pointing out it's flaws. Rarely do you see anyone mentioning controls or engine as one of these flaws. It is very difficult for typical TOR player to like it. This isn't indication there'd be some critical flaw in GSF..or in the typical TOR player. Just that they, unfortunately, make an unlikely marriage.
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Urglab
01.15.2016 , 11:08 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Stradlin View Post
Galactic Starfighter is by far the best, most unique portion of SW:TOR. Experience you get from playing SW:TOR as a GSF pilot is one you can get from no other MMO. If we look past the social aspects (friends, RPs, guild commitments, bla bla), GSF is the sole reason I still keep playing TOR.

Having to watch such an awesome, unique portion of the game to go completely overlooked while EA happily enough earmarks tens of millions to daddy issue CGI and new expansion that mostly boils down to watching four hours of cutscenes makes a script for a very sad comedy.



Everybody always is.; p I'm not sure if anyone has ever been *good* in GSF from the get go. If you watch few good tutorial videos and find a way to make the learning-the-basics -bit fun, rest will pretty much take care of itself .
+1

I really wish GSF would get some love, just some bugfixes would be amazing right now. Yes it's not easy when first trying it. But stick with it and you will see the wonderful depth of gameplay it offers.

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ImmortalLowlife
01.15.2016 , 11:31 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Stradlin View Post
....but rarely you see controls or flight engine mentioned. it is very difficult for typical TOR player to like it. This isn't indication there'd be some critical flaw in GSF..or in the typical TOR player. Just that they make an unlikely marriage.
The reason you rarely see it mentioned is because the players who thought/think like me got **** on repeatedly whenever we voiced a negative opinion about kb/mouse controls, or asked for an OPTION. (btw...it's in caps for emphasis kinfolk )We stopped commenting. If our playstyle preferences don't matter then why bother? It's just like ole boy....Alex whatever his name is who's been asking for proper Jedi robes for years. He used to get **** from the community for constantly posting about it. Now you don't see him making as many post about it, but according to his sig he's still waiting. And I'm sure there are a lot more who think like he does. I don't go into the GFS forum asking for optional control options. But if you put it in gen chat, I'ma let my thoughts and opinions be known. And I'm positive I'm not the only one who feels like this. YOU want GSF to be more popular and get more attention from the devs, but you freely admit that "it's difficult for the typical TOR player to like it. Well....I'M the typical TOR player. Guess what it'd take to get me to like it? Guess what ONE option they'd need to add? ( hint...it's not a Jedi robe )

Quote: Originally Posted by Lendul View Post
If they added joystick support would you continue to play even if you had a disadvantage? Hypothetically of course
Hypothetically.....yes I would. I'm more comfortable and confident with a controller. I know I'd get better, and fact is.....anybody can be beaten on any given day.

It's not about ALWAYS winning....it's about having fun. I've had fun plenty of times while getting my *** handed to me. ( Mostly while playing Madden. or Street Fighter btw) But I still hop on the PS3 or PS4 a few times a week for a game of Madden.
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AlrikFassbauer
01.15.2016 , 11:41 AM | #19
GSF ?

I don't care, it's merely aces farming Newbies.
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TUXs
01.15.2016 , 11:48 AM | #20
GSF was amazing tbh...but...it's not the lack of attention to it that has destroyed it for me, it's the players themselves. The groups of players running Gunship and Bomber combos did it for me...just took the fun out of it. Bombers were the worst thing to ever happen to GSF imo.
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