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Class Changes: Carnage Marauder / Combat Sentinel

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Class Changes: Carnage Marauder / Combat Sentinel
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Exly
08.16.2017 , 02:29 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by shyroman View Post
I don't think you understand what they meant by that post. They have this "target dps" that they want, lets call it 10k to make this easy with the math. So that means that all the specs you posted should be doing roughly 10k, and all the melee sustained specs should be doing 10.5k, and all ranged burst specs doing 9.5k. If a melee sustained is doing 11k, then it needs to be nerfed, if a melee burst spec is doing 10.5k, then it needs to be nerfed.
I disagree.

I don't think that any spec needs to be nerfed. I know that they have their secret target dps numbers that they want people to hit, but just because they like their numbers, that does not mean that they are right, or that they need to nerf people just because they say so.

What they are doing is something that they choose to do, but is not necessarily in the best interest of the game for them to do it.

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Anzel
08.16.2017 , 02:29 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Below are the upcoming changes for Carnage and Combat coming in Game Update 5.4.


-eric
I don't really agree with this one. The Mara/Sent specs are tougher to keep alive than some others. Yes their damage output is higher but they have less survivability. Are you looking at their DPS over an entire WZ/FP/Op or over a period of time?
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Anzel
08.16.2017 , 02:30 PM | #13
Also, I *don't* play Sent/Mara mainly because I feel they are "paper tigers". Or I just suck at Sent/Mara which is highly probable.
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shyroman
08.16.2017 , 02:36 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Exly View Post
I disagree.

I don't think that any spec needs to be nerfed. I know that they have their secret target dps numbers that they want people to hit, but just because they like their numbers, that does not mean that they are right, or that they need to nerf people just because they say so.

What they are doing is something that they choose to do, but is not necessarily in the best interest of the game for them to do it.
When carnage is as high as it is now in sustained damage, then there really isn't any reason to run anything else. These nerfs are reasonable and not breaking the spec. In pve it was easily the best spec since it could do everything better than most other specs. Best burst, best aoe, close to highest sustained, having a spec up that high for everything isn't healthy for the game.
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VBScript
08.16.2017 , 02:44 PM | #15
approximating the nerf:

looking at this parse -> http://parsely.io/parser/view/274090/0

Reduced the critical strike damage bonus granted by Sever from 15% to 10%

Since all hits from devastating blast are critical should be able to just reduce the DPS contribution of devestating blast by 5% -> 2670.29 * .05 = 133.5145 dps decrease

for massacre gotta see what percentage of massacre dps is crit damage:
61 MH hits * .541 crit * 9949.36 average crit damage = 328338.8
328338.8 MH crit dmg / 456575 total MH dmg = 71.9134% crit damage which will be reduced by 5%
1929.97 MH massacre dps * .719134 = 1387.922 dps from crit MH massacre * .05 = 69.39612 dps decrease

blah blah with OH dmg gets 4.353676 dps decrease

Reduced the damage bonus to Ataru Form attacks granted by Ataru Mastery from 5% to 3%

1322.82 dps from ataru form strikes * .02 dmg decrease = 26.4564 dps decrease

totalling a 233.7207 dps decrease on a 10567.33 dps parse

about a 2.2117% decrease. doesn't sound so bad looking at the percent.

did I make any mistakes on the math there? does that seem about right?

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shyroman
08.16.2017 , 02:55 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by VBScript View Post
approximating the nerf:

looking at this parse -> http://parsely.io/parser/view/274090/0

Reduced the critical strike damage bonus granted by Sever from 15% to 10%

Since all hits from devastating blast are critical should be able to just reduce the DPS contribution of devestating blast by 5% -> 2670.29 * .05 = 133.5145 dps decrease

for massacre gotta see what percentage of massacre dps is crit damage:
61 MH hits * .541 crit * 9949.36 average crit damage = 328338.8
328338.8 MH crit dmg / 456575 total MH dmg = 71.9134% crit damage which will be reduced by 5%
1929.97 MH massacre dps * .719134 = 1387.922 dps from crit MH massacre * .05 = 69.39612 dps decrease

blah blah with OH dmg gets 4.353676 dps decrease

Reduced the damage bonus to Ataru Form attacks granted by Ataru Mastery from 5% to 3%

1322.82 dps from ataru form strikes * .02 dmg decrease = 26.4564 dps decrease

totalling a 233.7207 dps decrease on a 10567.33 dps parse

about a 2.2117% decrease. doesn't sound so bad looking at the percent.

did I make any mistakes on the math there? does that seem about right?
Close, instead of reducing it by .05, you'd have to divide by 1.15 then multiply by 1.1, same thing for the ataru strikes.

It doesn't make that much of a difference, but it's not exactly the same. Also I'm not sure if you did this, but you have to account for offhand missing as well.
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Kyuuu
08.16.2017 , 02:56 PM | #17
by all means explain to me, in what world there comment of "at target dps" mean it "not at is target dps" cause in only world it does is in world of stupid

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shyroman
08.16.2017 , 03:08 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Kyuuu View Post
by all means explain to me what this

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Damage Groupings for Damage Dealing Disciplines
Melee Sustained Damage Dealers (up to +5% of target DPS) "means it need to go up"

    Annihilation Marauder / Watchman Sentinel
    Hatred Assassin / Serenity Shadow
    Lethality Operative / Ruffian Scoundrel
    Pyrotech Powertech / Plasmatech Vanguard
    Vengeance Juggernaut / Vigilance Guardian

Melee Quasi-Burst Damage Dealer (up to +2.5% of target DPS) "means it need to go up"

    Fury Marauder / Concentration Sentinel

Melee Burst/Ranged Sustained Damage Dealers (at the target DPS) "means at target dps like it says"

    Advanced Prototype Powertech / Tactics Vanguard
    Carnage Marauder / Combat Sentinel
    Concealment Operative / Scrapper Scoundrel
    Deception Assassin / Infiltration Shadow
    Engineering Sniper / Saboteur Gunslinger
    Innovative Ordnance Mercenary / Assault Specialist Commando
    Madness Sorcerer / Balance Sage
    Rage Juggernaut / Focus Guardian

Ranged Quasi-Sustained Damage Dealer (down to -2.5% of target DPS)"means it need to go down"

    Virulence Sniper / Dirty Fighting Gunslinger

Ranged Burst Damage Dealers (down to -5% of target DPS) "means it need to go down"

    Arsenal Mercenary / Gunnery Command
    Lightning Sorcerer / Telekinetics Sage
    Marksmanship Sniper / Sharpshooter Gunslinger
Im sorry but it is people that need to learn to read, all those that "-" where reduced damage so far, and all those that "+" where buffed so far, so i dont see anyone can see "at target dps" means anything but it at it target dps, less stupid is involved.
Do you actually believe that pre-buff pyrotech needed to be nerfed another 5% and pre-nerf arsenal needed to be buffed another 5%? Or if we flip it, do you think that lethality needs another 5% buff and marksman another 5% nerf? All it requires is some common sense.
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shyroman
08.16.2017 , 03:09 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Kyuuu View Post
by all means explain to me, in what world there comment of "at target dps" mean it "not at is target dps" cause in only world it does is in world of stupid
My first reply to you explains it.
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Kyuuu
08.16.2017 , 03:14 PM | #20
im sorry but your all stupid like BW.

They said at target DPS which means it at the dps it should be, it does not mean it lower or higher then target dps.

That or the own charts and metric numbers are wrong. Which comfirms they whole they dont know what they doing or dont play the game on live servers.