Ummm yeah I play STO and I'm going to have put a correct a couple of things.

 

One, you don't get a free ship from the C-Store at level 50/VA rank. You used too before the game went F2P, now however now all you get is the free one at Rear Admiral, Lower Half. You are also leaving out that the vet reward ships are as followed. 400 days gets you a Captain's Yacht for Feds, DujHod Chariot for KDF. Both are Shuttles. At 600 days you get a token for a free VA/C-Store ship. At 1000 days you get the Peghqu' Heavy Destroyer as a KDF, Chimera Heavy Destroyer for Feds.

 

Also I'm going to point out that Ships in STO are much like 'classes' in other MMO's. Escorts are DPS'ers, Cruisers tend to be healers or tankers, science are buffers/debuffers/healers. And when you make a character you are picking one of three Careers. Tactical, Engineering, Science. Now yes any of those Careers can command any Ship. However if you want to be good at a role you'll stick to a ship best suited for the role. Tactical tends to stick to Escorts, Engineers Cruisers, Science do I even have to say? So yeah you can get a Oddy and throw put a Tactical Captain in it, however said Captain would be better off in a Steamrunner or Kumari.

 

Two, they have been talking about moving the level cap up to level 60, max level right now is 50 for those of you who haven't played STO. There's a good chunk of info here from the STO Wiki on what's going to be in Legacy Of Romulus. I should also point out saying STO doesn't have a class story is somewhat true, rather you have a bunch of story based mission arc's.

 

Really you are leaving a ton out about STO. It's a great game, I'm glad a good friend of mine got me into it. The space game is outstanding, the ground game could be a lot better.

 

I made another VA just last week and got a token from Quinn.

 

Okay. That was given because 600 day vet reward owner. Actually over 1000 but that's part of the 600 day vet reward getting a ship at VA.

 

And staying in your "class" ship is not that big of an advantage as it was when the game launched. There was an update that did away with that "help". And the Ody has 3 flavors... a Tac, Eng, and Sci version (store version not the free one when they were launching the ship and you could do the mission for the free one)

Edited March 22, 2013 by Jacen_Starsolo

Honestly, I hope they never do gender changes. As for species that too is problem. Like if they level a human to 50 (unlock that legacy perk) then pay to change it to Sith to unlock that legacy perk? Species change should require said species to already be unlocked at least.

 

EDIT: But story might not allow those. Gender is obvious why but species even gets a few comments from NPCs about what species you are too. Early example, make a male sith pureblood SW and when you talk to a NPC at the academy by level 4 or 5, you get hit with it. Gender flagged and species flagged conversation all in one line delivered.

 

I think it's pretty silly for a player to feel like they picked the wrong race/gender/ species & then play it to level 50. It's not an option I imagine that I wouldl ever use.

 

But I don't see anything wrong with players having that option ~ SO LONG as they have acquired the racial unlock.

 

Players won't be able to gender change in the middle of a romance arc ~ just because the sound files don't exist for the SGRA conversations. So that option would either have to be limited to players who have completed their romance arc. ~or~ BW would have to go back and record some new VO work.

 

As for the effect of gender and race on the cutscenes, the game shows no indicator of having any record of how your past conversation options played out. Not even the companion conversations appear to be recorded in any way. So there really isn't any harm in someone changing those attributes about their character after the fact, or between conversations. It would just create some continuity problems between what they had seen/heard in previous conversations & how their future conversations played out.

This is a bitter sweet victory. It's something we have all wanted for along time and now it's here but, it's not the way we envisioned it. Assuming the price is cheap (50-100 cc) and it could be purchased by on the GTN like other cartel items, I won't be upset. However, If they try and charge and outrageous price for it and not make it able to be sold on the GTN then, I would kinda have to think about unsubbing based on the going trend that all cool stuff will only be available via cartel market and .............that just feels wrong (shrugs and puts hand in the air)........it just does.

If you all don't like paying rm for bar shop and rather pay ig credits then don't buy cc for bar shop items. Then maybe when people aren't buying, bw takes the hint and go the ig credits rout.....

This is a bitter sweet victory. It's something we have all wanted for along time and now it's here but, it's not the way we envisioned it. Assuming the price is cheap (50-100 cc) and it could be purchased by on the GTN like other cartel items, I won't be upset. However, If they try and charge and outrageous price for it and not make it able to be sold on the GTN then, I would kinda have to think about unsubbing based on the going trend that all cool stuff will only be available via cartel market and .............that just feels wrong (shrugs and puts hand in the air)........it just does.

 

Exactly.

If you all don't like paying rm for bar shop and rather pay ig credits then don't buy cc for bar shop items. Then maybe when people aren't buying, bw takes the hint and go the ig credits rout.....

 

That is step 2. Step 1 is voice being most displeased by it.

There are more people looking to engage with the community team than there are looking to tear into them.

 

Hahaha, I love it.

And what does WoW charge you for? Faction change and species change and if you read my comment you would see I wasnt too bothered with species since that would make more sense

Same goes for any other MMO you mentioned... so tell me an MMO that charges rl money for looks

 

Thank you, come again

 

He (or she) did tell you, WoW charges for anything other than hair, any other change of look you pay for. Other games were listed that charged for any change in looks.

If Im not allowed to call out Rift you cant call out WoW

 

So try again, a major MMO thats F2P (or claiming to be) with subscription that charges for changing something simple as your hair

 

Your posting really smacks of desparation, WoW charges on a per use basis for customisation beyond 1 simple aspect. There is your major MMO that is sub based and charges for customisation so stop hiding behind "what about hair", SWTOR customisation will be about more than just hair.

Except the cartel market isn't 100% "purely" cosmetic, is it? Or with this statement, are you indicating that you will be removing everything that is not purely 100% cosmetic from the cartel market?

 

You can buy gear on the market.

 

Is it the best gear in the game?

I dont even... have you not been paying attention? The point we're arguing is that this is a basic part of MMO's and should be a complimentary thing for subs with no additional spending bar in-game creds

Put it on the CM as well, I dont care but not exclusive

 

Im done with this circle****ing with you, if you cant hold a decent argument then dont bother

 

And yet you have failed to establish that re-customisation is a basic part of all MMOs that is provided for free (apart from hairstyle of course).

I wanted to pop in and address some of your concerns about our barbershop and its use of Cartel Coins and not credits. There are a couple of design implications that go into these decisions I wanted to highlight in the hopes that it makes our decision in this regard a bit clearer.

 

• We very consciously design these systems around the fact that subscribers get monthly Cartel Coin grants. Pricing, etc. has these monthly grants in mind to ensure that our subscribers have access to these systems.
  
• We want to set the expectation that cosmetic systems like these are where you are going to see us use the Cartel Market. It is our continued philosophy that we will not implement a form of pay to win so cosmetic systems and other non-game impacting features are our best opportunities to make additions to the Cartel Market.
  

As we continue to release more information about our barbershop please continue to give us your feedback.

 

-eric

 

This is the most bull crap answer ever. Sorry to say that but its true. For one how does a subs month grant benefit them at all? I bet 99% of all subs use the monthly grant to buy a gambling pack and thats it. Cuz we only get enough per month to buy 1 pack. So charging us for something that has been in MMO's since EQ (being able to dye armor) and WoW (just cost a bit of gold) is bull crap. This should be free to subs and just cost us credits. Cuz lets face it. As a sub we convert our CC's into credits because we cant use 99% of the crap on the market. So what do we do? We sell it.

 

This just another way for you guys to nickle and dime your loyal player base who feel that paying for the game as a sub is worth it. Well its starting to become very quickly not worth subbing any more. If I have to buy the Cathar from the CC market with CC coins something we were told as subs countless times would never happen I am done with this game. (and yes you can have my stuff)

Edited March 23, 2013 by aluisi

All I can say is that it is time for Bioware to come to terms with a simple truth..

 

The Cartel market is not the game and the game is not the Cartel market..

 

Most things like armor and stuff need to be added to the game.. Not the Cartel market.. Also the Cartel market should never play a part in game content in any way shape for form.. No rep for Cartel coins.. The barber shop does not belong in the Cartel Market.. If we are going to charge something for the ability to change our characters, then it should be credits and only a small amount..

 

Subscribers.. Pay attention here and please take it to heart.. We already pay for the game, many of us actually bought the game, instead of download it for free.. Do not spend our grant.. We will spend it ourselves.. Do not add stuff to the market with our grant in mind.. This is a great way to lose subscribers..

 

Stop adding stuff to the market.. The game needs more content and not the market.. Perhaps if you spent as much time working on adding content to the game, like quest lines, weekly events like womp rat hunting, you might have more subscribers.. The problem with the game is there is nothing to do.. No.. Makeb is not going to fix the issue.. How dare you add an event via the Cartel Market?? Seriously?? Life day was not an event.. This is what we mean.. That Cartel market is not the game.. Learn it, live it, eat it, sleep with it, program it.. People subscribe to play the game.. Not shop for stuff on the Cartel Market.. The sooner the powers that be learn all this the better this game will do..

 

This game is not played through the Cartel Market.. That is not the game I subscribe to, and not the game I purchased over a year ago.. Where are the regular updates to the CE vendor that were promised?? Keep your promises to your players.. I understand the desire to make money and pay the bills.. But you will have a brighter future if you worrying about making the game better and not the Cartel Market.. The cartel market is not gaming content.. It does nothing for us.. It is useless.. It is a money pit..

 

We need an in game calendar..

We need a ready check..

We need more mini games, like Pazaak..

We need a years worth of events to take part in each month.. (Not a box of stuff sold in the Cartel Market)

We need weekly events like Womp rat hunting contests..

We need side quests to be added constantly to give us more leveling paths.. 1000's of quests..

 

You may need to consider limiting voice over to just class quests, and make side quests either new cast, holorecordings, or just a pick up at a terminal..

 

Ops need to be much larger.. 12-14 bosses minimum.. Most of the ops we have now are just glorified flashpoints.. They are way to small.. I heard the one on Makeb has 7 bosses.. That is to small.. You need to set the sites higher..

 

We need shift click to work everywhere.. We need to do shift click item searches in the GTN.. We need to be able to whisper a guildie from the guild list.. The autocomplete for our email needs to include our own alts..

 

The things listed above are things that should have been worked on over the last year.. In fact many of them should have been in the game before release.. So whomever got trigger happy about when to release this game should get a stern talking to.. Perhaps this game would still just be subscription only had it been more complete and player friendly..

 

Yes, these things were brought up in the beta.. I was there and brought them up too..

 

I am sorry.. I have invested a year in this game.. Both time and money.. I feel that the game is going in the wrong direction and that priorities are also way off.. The Cartel Market is not an MMO.. Stop treating it like one..

Edited March 23, 2013 by MajikMyst

And yet you have failed to establish that re-customisation is a basic part of all MMOs that is provided for free (apart from hairstyle of course).

 

Ill make it short since Im heading to bed: I want something basic as changing my hair. /end of discussion then?

I don't like the fact that they are going to do this but everyone just has to come to terms with what they are doing. They are doing this because they can, they are doing it because people will cough up the money and pay for it. As long as the free to play crowd will cough up cash for stuff, they will keep charging it. Welcome to the new age of EA games and MMOs of this type.

Character creator in this game is laughable. Saying otherwise is either white knighting or just giving blind loyalty. So to say pay to do anything attached to it, is terrible. They better have a Super Secret CC Project in the works too to not be so limited.

 

I disagree with this statement. There are games out there now like TSW where you have lots of options but only basically get one face to choose from. I will agree that the character creator is very limited but not laughable. I would want more faces and more options and I think it should have more. But exaggerated terms like "laughable" are not helpful here. Exaggerated terminology just undermines your point actually and your credibility is lost even if you do have a point.

 

It is very basic and the number of options is very limited. It is barely enough for me to be acceptable but acceptable is a bare minimum and doesn't give me that awesome! vibe.

 

My guess is that BW purposefully gave us limited information to see where the discussion would lead and see what people find acceptable and what not. So this discussion will have an effect, but I am pretty sure that comments like yours will be easily dismissed. We'll see if you're still this upset around summer after it is implimented and we see what actually is and isn't part of it.

All I can say is that it is time for Bioware to come to terms with a simple truth..

The Cartel market is not the game and the game is not the Cartel market..

...

I am sorry.. I have invested a year in this game.. Both time and money.. I feel that the game is going in the wrong direction and that priorities are also way off.. The Cartel Market is not an MMO.. Stop treating it like one..

 

Couldn't have said it any better.

For me they need to postpone the barbershop a bit and rethink it based on everyones feedback.

There should be a shop say on Prominade on Nar Shaddaa where for ingame coins you can change look to any featured in the create character screen.

Then they should add new additional looks in each cartel update which are not available in the barbershop ingame but available via cartel store.

Here is another excellent example of how to implement it: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=614344

And yes it might be that this is how its already planned but if it is then why the secrecy? >_>

I disagree with this statement. There are games out there now like TSW where you have lots of options but only basically get one face to choose from. I will agree that the character creator is very limited but not laughable. I would want more faces and more options and I think it should have more. But exaggerated terms like "laughable" are not helpful here. Exaggerated terminology just undermines your point actually and your credibility is lost even if you do have a point.

 

It is very basic and the number of options is very limited. It is barely enough for me to be acceptable but acceptable is a bare minimum and doesn't give me that awesome! vibe.

 

My guess is that BW purposefully gave us limited information to see where the discussion would lead and see what people find acceptable and what not. So this discussion will have an effect, but I am pretty sure that comments like yours will be easily dismissed. We'll see if you're still this upset around summer after it is implimented and we see what actually is and isn't part of it.

 

Just because there might be one or two more laughable doesn't mean BW has to be laughable too. That's like saying a restaurant can keep putting out bad food that makes people sick because the one down the street is also rat infested too.

Makes me miss SWG tbh. They never added this kind of crap, and even at the end of the games life they were still adding new content on a regular enough basis. All for the price of a sub.

 

LMAO!!!!! Really?!?! Because I swear the TCG was just like cartel market packs and it made SWG a ton of extra cash for the game!!!! You have on the "I hate the CM!!" Blinders, lol!!

Just a quick note on the "pay-per-use barbershop" discussion. There have been no details on how character recustomization is going to be implemented. It may be that they'll try to charge real money per haircut (which would be a very very bad decision, in my opinion) or that they'll implement this in some other manner. But we don't know yet, so saying that this is the way it is going to be is incorrect, as it stands currently. Edited March 23, 2013 by iamthehoyden

Just a quick note on the "pay-per-use barbershop" discussion. There have been no details on how character recustomization is going to be implemented. It may be that they'll try to charge real money per haircut (which would be a very very bad decision, in my opinion) or that they'll implement this in some other manner. But we don't know yet, so saying that this is the way it is going to be is incorrect, as it stands currently.

 

The thing is that we're assuming the worst and they had ample time and opportunity to set this straight, instead they made 1 post confirming some of our worries

If we're wrong then fine, so be it and good but let them say that first. This "wait and see" attitude will be too late since I very much doubt we will see much info till they implement it

Humm, just a quick thought.

Since the majority of players are playing Imperial faction and across both factions more then 50% of the player base are playing full DS...

 

Why is it that there's such a heavy reaction to EAware making a typical Imperial Darksider move?

The thing is that we're assuming the worst and they had ample time and opportunity to set this straight, instead they made 1 post confirming some of our worries

If we're wrong then fine, so be it and good but let them say that first. This "wait and see" attitude will be too late since I very much doubt we will see much info till they implement it

 

The wait and see approach is the only thing we can do at this point. We've been beating this horse since day one. We've given them plenty of ideas and options to consider and this is the one they chose. When it finally goes live, the only thing we can do it check it out, and if we don't like it, vote with our wallets and not buy it. At the end of the day, it's still EA. If they aren't making a decent return on investment, they'll change it ever so slightly until they do.