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1.2 = best pvp gear for free, and no reason to play rated. people are quitting

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1.2 = best pvp gear for free, and no reason to play rated. people are quitting

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Gadian
03.16.2012 , 06:29 PM | #1361
Quote: Originally Posted by Ahebish View Post


I can't argue with inescapable logic.

But I just like to troll people who can't make a valid point to save their lives.

I find it entertaining when I'm bored of killing everyone on my server.
Does this remind anyone else of Napoleon Dynamite?

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Varicite
03.16.2012 , 06:30 PM | #1362
Quote: Originally Posted by Ahebish View Post
I wasn't talking to you that I remember.

See, I can respect the fact you are calling me out being wrong about something I never addressed to you.
The post below doesn't belong to you, then?

Quote: Originally Posted by Varicite View Post
I'm a PvPer who didn't do any PvE at all from 10-49 and dinged 50 as a Champion w/ 1000/1000 comms. I didn't have level appropriate gear outside of a new barrel I got w/ daily comms from Ilum and the few cent pieces and 1 champ piece that I got when I dinged.

I PvP'd even though I was undergeared and had 11k hp, and didn't complain, and was still a contribution to my team through other means than killing until I was geared in full Champ, at which point I was once again a killing machine.

I grind out gear not because I want gear, but because I don't want to be at a DISADVANTAGE when fighting other members of the PvP community. The gear itself doesn't matter, it just means that I can be competitive at something that I enjoy.

I'm not sure which of your camps I fall into. /shrug

Quote: Originally Posted by Ahebish View Post
Let me reitterate something

Titles don't mean squat.

your a level 10-49 pvp'er who Q'd with 12k or less HP in the 50's bracket the instant you rolled 50.

You are part of the problem how about being part of the solution for once.

I'm a rank 64 BM now guess how much BM stuff I have right now?

Nothing but implants and earring guess why? Because it's that friggin hard to get BM tokens to get gear.

The fact you were champion before you hit 50... doesn't change the fact you DO NOT HAVE TO BE CHAMPION TO WEAR CHAMPION GEAR!

And I guarantee by the time you reached 50 you were lucky to have 3 pieces of centurion gear.

So when I jump you from stealth on my operative and crit you for 4.6k on hidden strike don't you FRIGGIN DARE QQ to me about my class being overpowered when I now have all champ gear with BM accessories.

You are the reason my class got nerf'd in the first place and why I told all you people....

L2P

Why the hell should you put in less work than I did to get to rank 60 (yes without kill trading)

That's not fair.

That's not balance.

That's called World of Warcraft
Because that really sounds like you're talking to me. And being very wrong at the same time.
Quote: Originally Posted by JayPres View Post
Strap your digital dog to your digital roof and take your ideologies, lovely wife, and sweet little 8yr old girl to a PVE server where you fit best.

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Gadian
03.16.2012 , 06:31 PM | #1363
Quote: Originally Posted by Varicite View Post
The post below doesn't belong to you, then?






Because that really sounds like you're talking to me. And being very wrong at the same time.
This dude is clearly in over his head. But he is providing winning quotes.

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Ahebish
03.16.2012 , 06:35 PM | #1364
Quote: Originally Posted by Varicite View Post
The post below doesn't belong to you, then?






Because that really sounds like you're talking to me. And being very wrong at the same time.
Actually...

I read your post again.

No I did not misread it... Maybe I could have been nicer about it I admit that.... but I was more miffed at this other guy by the time you posted a response.

And I do not apologize for the post at all.

But you are in catagory 1.

While I admire your cander you are worthless to a team with 11k HP

I'll be honest I had 11k HP when I was level 40-45.

If that tells you just how useless you are in the 50's bracket, and despite that... I got friggin ***** when I entered the 50's bracket.

People used to trash talk me, call me scrub, baddie, etc.

Now the table has turned and all of the sudden my class needs a nerf?

Like you I PVP'd 10-49 and only did so to hit the next level... but I also level'd in PVE 1-49. Why? Because there is good gear you can get along the way.

So you are part of the problem with fresh 50's in wz's.

I don't condone PVP'ing because you love it, but I condone people like this other guy who cry nerf every time I drop a 4.6k crit on them when they out gear me.

Now he's going to get better gear than I have currently for free without putting any effort into it.

That's my arguement.

You put in your time, the problem is you screw'd a lot of people along the way to do it.

All because you did not PVE at all.

Remember it's a team game, come prepared or don't come at all. That's the biggest gripe vet pvp'ers have about fresh 50's And while I agree there should be a further seperation of the PVP brackets to account for these people with 11k HP who don't know they can enter wz's with 13k+ right out of the gate just by doing a little minor PVE first.

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Ahebish
03.16.2012 , 06:40 PM | #1365
Quote: Originally Posted by Gadian View Post
This dude is clearly in over his head. But he is providing winning quotes.
Here's another winning quote.

Call my bluff

Call my bluff 2

Still want to call my bluff?

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Varicite
03.16.2012 , 07:00 PM | #1366
Quote: Originally Posted by Ahebish View Post
You know, for all that smack that you talked to me, not only are you actually less geared than I am, but your WZ scores are pretty lackluster on top of it.

But I'm the one who puts in less work... lol. Not that anyone actually cares about damage numbers from Voidstar, or in general.

If you honestly believe that having 11k hp prevents someone from contributing to the team, then I'd say that you are actually part of the problem.

Objective-based PvP means that there are plenty of things that can be done even w/ low hp that can help your team win, which I described. I would most definitely take myself at 11k hp over many of the mouthbreathers in full Champ gear that I've seen running around the WZs.

Warzones are not based on 1v1. If they were, I would agree that having low hp is a huge detriment to the team. Fortunately, they are not and having utility and understanding how to play the game or disrupt healers can go a LONG way toward winning a match.

You know what the difference between an 11k hp and 17k hp PT keeping an enemy healer constantly interrupted/stunned/running is? Absolutely nothing.

You know what the difference between an 11k hp and 17k hp PT grappling you or your receivers into the pit when you're trying to score is? That's right, nothing.

Veteran PvPers don't have any gripes w/ undergeared players who know how to perform their role, and realize that they cannot be WZ heroes. Most fresh 50s do not, unfortunately, and that is why most people dislike undergeared players, because they are usually the fresh 50s that are going to tunnel-vision tanks and dps while ignoring objectives. I wasn't one of those guys, and I highly doubt that anyone ever minded having me on the team.

If you're just hating on people for not being geared regardless of their PvP experience, just because they have low hp, then I'd say you're doing it wrong, man.

(I will concede the point that having half a team of undergeared players can definitely sway an outcome, but this didn't happen often even when I was a fresh 50)

Just for the record, I knew that you could get good gear in PvE, but I am a PvP player. I also knew that as much as I PvP, I would be replacing all of that w/in a few days, which I did.

I'm sorry that you seem to think that I dragged my teams down, as I am rather sure that I did quite the opposite, often receiving MVPs for being the lowbie who did things right.
Quote: Originally Posted by JayPres View Post
Strap your digital dog to your digital roof and take your ideologies, lovely wife, and sweet little 8yr old girl to a PVE server where you fit best.

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Gadian
03.16.2012 , 07:09 PM | #1367
Quote: Originally Posted by Ahebish View Post
This could just be me, but based on these screenshots he looks like a mouse clicker.

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Ahebish
03.16.2012 , 07:12 PM | #1368
Quote: Originally Posted by Gadian View Post
This could just be me, but based on these screenshots he looks like a mouse clicker.
lol

God I love people like you.

Makes killing you that much more enjoyable.

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Amaelstrom
03.16.2012 , 07:35 PM | #1369
lol real pvp is ranked....lol fools,real pvp in the world is what pvp is...and should be here....but that would take work...from devs and players...which means wont happen.

sorry i dont want wz or dumbed down planet we can war on...let us war at least on every planet...in high sec. sectors...give us control pionts and choke pionts to defend and take....give us a reason other then these lame ....abitrary wz........ and mostly put up the dam server hardware that can handle it....not this hyundai crap you usin now.

what can ya expect from single player company...someone buy em a clue...cause god knows they dont have one
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Ahebish
03.16.2012 , 07:37 PM | #1370
Quote: Originally Posted by Varicite View Post
You know, for all that smack that you talked to me, not only are you actually less geared than I am, but your WZ scores are pretty lackluster on top of it.

But I'm the one who puts in less work... lol. Not that anyone actually cares about damage numbers from Voidstar, or in general.

If you honestly believe that having 11k hp prevents someone from contributing to the team, then I'd say that you are actually part of the problem.

Objective-based PvP means that there are plenty of things that can be done even w/ low hp that can help your team win, which I described. I would most definitely take myself at 11k hp over many of the mouthbreathers in full Champ gear that I've seen running around the WZs.

Warzones are not based on 1v1. If they were, I would agree that having low hp is a huge detriment to the team. Fortunately, they are not and having utility and understanding how to play the game or disrupt healers can go a LONG way toward winning a match.

You know what the difference between an 11k hp and 17k hp PT keeping an enemy healer constantly interrupted/stunned/running is? Absolutely nothing.

You know what the difference between an 11k hp and 17k hp PT grappling you or your receivers into the pit when you're trying to score is? That's right, nothing.

Veteran PvPers don't have any gripes w/ undergeared players who know how to perform their role, and realize that they cannot be WZ heroes. Most fresh 50s do not, unfortunately, and that is why most people dislike undergeared players, because they are usually the fresh 50s that are going to tunnel-vision tanks and dps while ignoring objectives. I wasn't one of those guys, and I highly doubt that anyone ever minded having me on the team.

If you're just hating on people for not being geared regardless of their PvP experience, just because they have low hp, then I'd say you're doing it wrong, man.

(I will concede the point that having half a team of undergeared players can definitely sway an outcome, but this didn't happen often even when I was a fresh 50)

No they have gripes with under geared people who know their role but can't perform it because BW isn't Blizzard.

Out of all this stuff you said, the only thing I really enjoyed reading, was the last part.

1 or 2 of them isn't a big deal

But obviously you don't have to deal with 5-7 of them every other wz... Like on my server.

I don't expect fresh 50's to know how to win, but I do expect them to not be lazy and Q with 11k HP.

BH merc buddy of mine from the 10-49 bracket reached 50. He did what you said is so easy to do.

He went heal spec because he was using level 40 gear in the 50's bracket with 11k HP.

Guess how useful he was in the 50's bracket?

I was on my PT with 500 expertise tank spec and he couldn't heal me with my CD's active.

Do tell me what roles these fresh 50's with 11k HP can perform that can't be countered in less than 3 second

They can't run the ball
They can't heal
They can't do damage

Oh wait they can interrupt sorry I forgot.

And if they can make it past the first 1/2 of the wz without dying sure a sorc could pull someone to the goal line (which most of the time sorcs with 11k HP never make it past the 1/2 way mark before they are ripped down in 3 seconds or less)

Even a geared healer can't heal an 11k HP player with a single geared DPS class on them.

It's simple logic. There's only so much an 11k HP can do, much less someone geared can do for them.

As good as I am at my class I can't carry 7 people with less than 13k HP regardless of their class/spec/pvp prowess.

And I know any vet pvp'er knows where their limitations are.

Carrying 1 even 3 of them is fine... but 4 or more and it's pretty much a guaranteed loss considering most wz Q's in the 50's bracket are all premades on my server.

First thing I do when I enter a wz is check to see how many people have less than 13k

if it's 3 or less I'll stay

if it's 4 or more, I leave before the wz even starts.

I find it comical the comments about my damage... I'm sorry my class got nerf'd 4 times in a row and can't do 500-750k damage per warzone like all the other classes.

For that I am humbled. And I beg forgiveness.

Don't forget to buff when you leave spawn. Because if you want to base PVP prowess on damage those 500-750k damage dealers are no more of a threat to me than your critical analyzing of my experience/pvp prowess based on a screenshot.