Starkweather Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Are we allowed to trade victories in PVP? If not, what is being done to eradicate the practice of "Win Trading" in PVP? If "Win Trading" is against the rules, players should be properly educated in regards to the practical and ethical consequences of this activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puissant Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 what is being done to eradicate the practice of "Win Trading" in PVP? Having ranked be so dead that nobody actually cares about rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psandak Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Are we allowed to trade victories in PVP? If not, what is being done to eradicate the practice of "Win Trading" in PVP? If "Win Trading" is against the rules, players should be properly educated in regards to the practical and ethical consequences of this activity. It is not a matter of "allowed." The system cannot mechanically stop it and there is no way to prove it conclusively, so there is little that can be done if/when it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDanski Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Id think BW would possibly see this as an exploit if they could prove that it was being coordinated. Though your intentions may be good and only desire wins for coms, they may see it as manipulating and unfairly representing your ratings which would (according to them) result in prizes at the end of the season(s). May be a question to ask the support staff directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Post EricMusco Posted February 13, 2014 Dev Post Share Posted February 13, 2014 Are we allowed to trade victories in PVP? If not, what is being done to eradicate the practice of "Win Trading" in PVP? If "Win Trading" is against the rules, players should be properly educated in regards to the practical and ethical consequences of this activity. This is a really great question. Win trading is absolutely something we consider against the rules. We talk about this a little more in our Season 1 blog (which will come out tomorrow or next week). In short, if you are caught win trading or doing any other activity that can be considered exploitive to boost your rating, your rating will be reset at the end of the season and you will not receive any rewards. We take the competitive nature of Arenas very seriously and we have a no tolerance policy on users who work to abuse the system. -eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technohic Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 This is a really great question. Win trading is absolutely something we consider against the rules. We talk about this a little more in our Season 1 blog (which will come out tomorrow or next week). In short, if you are caught win trading or doing any other activity that can be considered exploitive to boost your rating, your rating will be reset at the end of the season and you will not receive any rewards. We take the competitive nature of Arenas very seriously and we have a no tolerance policy on users who work to abuse the system. -eric Careful Eric. You've been busy today. We might actually start to like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthOvertone Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) This is a really great question. Win trading is absolutely something we consider against the rules. We talk about this a little more in our Season 1 blog (which will come out tomorrow or next week). In short, if you are caught win trading or doing any other activity that can be considered exploitive to boost your rating, your rating will be reset at the end of the season and you will not receive any rewards. We take the competitive nature of Arenas very seriously and we have a no tolerance policy on users who work to abuse the system. Bravo Eric. I assume Solo Q-Syncing will be similarly considered an exploit, since...well...it is. Edited February 13, 2014 by DarthOvertone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scriffle Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 This is a really great question. Win trading is absolutely something we consider against the rules. We talk about this a little more in our Season 1 blog (which will come out tomorrow or next week). In short, if you are caught win trading or doing any other activity that can be considered exploitive to boost your rating, your rating will be reset at the end of the season and you will not receive any rewards. We take the competitive nature of Arenas very seriously and we have a no tolerance policy on users who work to abuse the system. -eric Lol , u don't take it seriously, u don't even show love to the ranked scene. Almost nobody is playing them anymore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxmob Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) This is a really great question. Win trading is absolutely something we consider against the rules. We talk about this a little more in our Season 1 blog (which will come out tomorrow or next week). In short, if you are caught win trading or doing any other activity that can be considered exploitive to boost your rating, your rating will be reset at the end of the season and you will not receive any rewards. We take the competitive nature of Arenas very seriously and we have a no tolerance policy on users who work to abuse the system. -eric not to be THAT GUY, but if they're win TRADING then they're not helping their rating. they're taking turns giving each other wins. they're not going to be inline for any kind of ratings related rewards in the first place by doing that. imo, win trading is a bit of a waste of time, but it doesn't hurt anyone else the way superQing does. oops! can'O'worms. Edited February 13, 2014 by foxmob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthOvertone Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 not to be THAT GUY, but if they're win TRADING then they're not helping their rating. they're taking turns giving each other wins. they're not going to be inline for any kind of ratings related rewards in the first place by doing that. Pretty sure the guilty parties switch to Alts when they are to be farmed. At least that's what I saw when players were doing it in-house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhatMcMuffins Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) not to be THAT GUY, but if they're win TRADING then they're not helping their rating. they're taking turns giving each other wins. they're not going to be inline for any kind of ratings related rewards in the first place by doing that. imo, win trading is a bit of a waste of time, but it doesn't hurt anyone else the way superQing does. oops! can'O'worms. Well, how about this scenario: Lose the games on their alts and win on mains. Both teams doing the trading do this and now their mains' ratings skyrocket. Edited February 13, 2014 by PhatMcMuffins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxmob Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Pretty sure the guilty parties switch to Alts when they are to be farmed. At least that's what I saw when players were doing it in-house. fair enough. not what I witnessed with the guilds I knew were doing it. they were just gearing up faster. but yeah. good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistols Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 This is a really great question. Win trading is absolutely something we consider against the rules. We talk about this a little more in our Season 1 blog (which will come out tomorrow or next week). In short, if you are caught win trading or doing any other activity that can be considered exploitive to boost your rating, your rating will be reset at the end of the season and you will not receive any rewards. We take the competitive nature of Arenas very seriously and we have a no tolerance policy on users who work to abuse the system. -eric I remember when EA/BW said that Valor farming on Ilum was something they took seriously... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistols Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 On topic: Yeah this scenario sucks, but there is nothing they can do about it. Provided they are at the keyboard and playing the WZ as intended (which is literally just ATK), you will not see a single instance where someone is punished via the way Eric describes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamesux Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I remember when EA/BW said that Valor farming on Ilum was something they took seriously... We shall see results soon™ enough, Pistols old buddy aka Gameisbad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimG Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 It is not a matter of "allowed." The system cannot mechanically stop it and there is no way to prove it conclusively, so there is little that can be done if/when it happens. The only thing that can really be done is that BW completely ditches any attempts to develop open world PVP because it has become obvious that most PVP'ers are more interested in win-trading to get their loot/gear faster than actually PVP'ing. This is why every attempt at open world PVP in the past has failed and why they basically gave up trying to make it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistols Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 We shall see results soon™ enough, Pistols old buddy aka Gameisbad. ^ That's not my toon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idnewton Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 This is a really great question. Win trading is absolutely something we consider against the rules. We talk about this a little more in our Season 1 blog (which will come out tomorrow or next week). In short, if you are caught win trading or doing any other activity that can be considered exploitive to boost your rating, your rating will be reset at the end of the season and you will not receive any rewards. We take the competitive nature of Arenas very seriously and we have a no tolerance policy on users who work to abuse the system. -eric Since when did the Devs grow a spine when it comes to PvP and start caring about specifics? I'm not a hardcore PvPer but you earned some respect from me today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzina Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 We take the competitive nature of Arenas very seriously and we have a no tolerance policy on users who work to abuse the system. -eric I think it would be impossible to stop win trading unless there was cross-server. All you have to do is stop que'ing after a loss to cut your losses and remember to continue que'ing after a win in order to get the same group of people again and win again. Without cross-server, teams are stacked and limited, so there will be medicore groups who have extremely high ratings because they are just really nice to the people they beat and don't que themselves when losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Precursor Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 We take the competitive nature of Arenas very seriously ahahahahahahahaha ahahahahhahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisweaver Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Well, how about this scenario: Lose the games on their alts and win on mains. Both teams doing the trading do this and now their mains' ratings skyrocket. The only problem with this (for solo queue at least) is that it randomly puts people on your team so you may be on the team with the alt who is supposed to lose. Also if the alt loses enough an gets farmed the people winning are going to get less rewards because they are facing low rated players. I'm curious OP what makes you think trading wins is happening? Is someone /stucking after a match starts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paokzu Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Sigh, these rules. I'm not a PvP player but I really don't see an issue here. If that's how some people want to game, who's that hurting? It's not like they're hacking. I'll compare this type of rubbish with a PVE scenario. When BW didn't like that raids would use a couple Marauder's Bloodthirst back to back they added a debuff to prevent it. This bottlenecking discourages creativity. It's bad enough the game is a very linear process but then they even want you to learn 'their way' when figuring out how to make it through the harder group and raid content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oyranos Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 what is win trade? me and my friend, lose for me to get high ranked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom_VI Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 (edited) Sigh, these rules. I'm not a PvP player but I really don't see an issue here. If that's how some people want to game, who's that hurting? Because this is competition. Win trading is the internet version of fixing baseball games or somesuch. Its not fair to the people that are legitimately trying to prove their skill. Your post shows one of the fundamental disconnects between PvP'ers and PvE'ers. PvP'ers tend to place more value on the means, while PvE'ers tend to focus more on the ends. Edited November 3, 2014 by Zoom_VI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foambreaker Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 ... I'm not a PvP player but I really don't see an issue here. If that's how some people want to game, who's that hurting?.... Really? Go ask your mom, this is the stuff she was supposed to teach you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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