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The Expertise stat has to go...

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kckkryptonite
01.24.2012 , 08:11 PM | #1151
So you want to remove PvP stratification and make it exclusively PvE that causes it? Okay.
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KOTOR-LOVER
01.24.2012 , 08:12 PM | #1152
Quote: Originally Posted by xxdragonragexx View Post
OK I'M GOING TO EXPLAIN WHY EXPERTISE IS NEEDED!!! People are confusing expertise with gear progression.

For our example, I'll take away expertise. There is no expertise anymore in the game.
But we still have gear progression meaning tier 1, tier 2, tier 3 armor and weapons.

Now tell me, A VALOR 60+ PLAYER IN FULL BATTLEMASTER VS A FRESH 50. The gears do not have expertise. What do you think will happen? Do you think the the fresh 50 will somewhat miraculously have a chance? Of course not. With or without expertise, that fresh 50 is going to get rolled BECAUSE OF GEAR!!!! BECAUSE THERE IS GEAR PROGRESSION.

Expertise is there so that people who raid will not be able to suddenly go to warzones and wreck pvpers through gear. It's the only reason expertise is there.
That's why it needs to be gear AND expertise. Everything needs to be equal. The fresh 50 will not win for one reason only in this case: skill. The valor 60+ player will be SO much better that they will obviously win! Why must players be rewarded for playing more when they are most likely already better at their class!??!
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Zombifikation
01.24.2012 , 08:13 PM | #1153
Quote: Originally Posted by Kyrinic View Post
You do not have to finish with the most kills in a warzone to get champion bags. You can get them via team wins or ilum quests.

/discussion.

There is nothing preventing a new 50 from getting the gear. This is nothing but PVE carebears wanting to roll people in PVP.
Pretty much. It would then turn into wow, where you would have to pve first before attempting PvP. Now you don't have to. Sure its a grind, but when isn't something in an mmo a grind? Everyone will get there eventually and be equal apart from skill, where the true players will shine through.
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xxdragonragexx
01.24.2012 , 08:14 PM | #1154
To the people that want to REMOVE GEAR PROGRESSION.
It will probably be nice. You don't have to grind and everyone is equal and so on.
But it will never happen. This is a MMO that is modeled to cater the majority which basically means gear progression will always be here.


Quote: Originally Posted by KOTOR-LOVER View Post
That's why it needs to be gear AND expertise. Everything needs to be equal. The fresh 50 will not win for one reason only in this case: skill. The valor 60+ player will be SO much better that they will obviously win! Why must players be rewarded for playing more when they are most likely already better at their class!??!

Ok, you win. I agree. I give you a cookie or something. Too bad it will never happen. They will never take away gear progression.

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ztee
01.24.2012 , 08:20 PM | #1155
Quote: Originally Posted by KOTOR-LOVER View Post
That's why it needs to be gear AND expertise. Everything needs to be equal. The fresh 50 will not win for one reason only in this case: skill. The valor 60+ player will be SO much better that they will obviously win! Why must players be rewarded for playing more when they are most likely already better at their class!??!
Question is, why shouldnt they?

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Darth_Vampirius
01.24.2012 , 08:20 PM | #1156
If expertise goes, then they need to do either one of two things.
#1 Permanently ban raiders from PVP. You went on a raid? Fine, now your WZ icon is greyed out forever.
OR
#2 Delete classes from the game entirely.

Since niether of these will ever happen, Expertise is fine.
Quote:
//We have seen the argument of Skill vs. Gear throughout the existence of MMO PvP and we are of the opinion both are good for an RPG, falling on one side of the scale (gear has no purpose in PvP vs. gear is the only thing that matters in PvP) is not desirable.//

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KOTOR-LOVER
01.24.2012 , 08:21 PM | #1157
Quote: Originally Posted by ztee View Post
Question is, why shouldnt they?
Then they get an unfair advantage and PvP is no longer based only on skill?
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Darth_Vampirius
01.24.2012 , 08:25 PM | #1158
Quote: Originally Posted by KOTOR-LOVER View Post
Then they get an unfair advantage and PvP is no longer based only on skill?
If you want PVP based on 100% skill and nothing else, go play Gears of War. MMOs are not like that.
Quote:
//We have seen the argument of Skill vs. Gear throughout the existence of MMO PvP and we are of the opinion both are good for an RPG, falling on one side of the scale (gear has no purpose in PvP vs. gear is the only thing that matters in PvP) is not desirable.//

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Berinima
01.24.2012 , 08:31 PM | #1159
Still, expertise how it works in this game is flawed by design. A possible solution to make everybody happy could be:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=231300

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Razot
01.24.2012 , 08:32 PM | #1160
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Vampirius View Post
If you want PVP based on 100% skill and nothing else, go play Gears of War. MMOs are not like that.
No PVP stat.

Not even one point of expertise was used during filming....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGDWs...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctZ0T-QsR98

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6z2...eature=related

You wont get it but "I was there!!" I was really was...