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Companions - There HAS to be a better way than this to get them talking again

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Companions - There HAS to be a better way than this to get them talking again

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IoNonSoEVero
07.20.2019 , 11:01 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by OlBuzzard View Post
IMO... there are elements of this that are very accurate ... but then comes to some conclusions that are still somewhat up for grabs.

1. You are right about some people liking KotFE / ET and some disliked it. And I also agree that it is getting back to Rep vs Empire is a good idea but could also be seen as a matter of opinion.

JUS was at least a good step in the right direction. How effective it was is also a matter of opinion to a degree. There were some good points. But the devs absolutely by passed an opportunity to begin demonstrating exactly what OP is looking for: more interaction with companions. But instead of a good opportunity for better companion interaction we received a few cut scenes and a couple of brief reunions.

It should be noted that the brief reunions were already present on Iokath. IMO the reunion between the trooper and Elara Dorne was pitiful ... assuming that the u-tube play back of that is accurate.

More to the point: was that reunion already in the works ? I'm not trying to be overly critical but the "short reunions" have become a matter of concern. And since those reunions (as short as they were) ... ZIPPO ... nothing !

One good piece that was released: Hearts and Minds . IMO that was well done

To that end OP seems to be indicating that what we once had needs to be returned.. ( and I think expanded even further)..

2. As for Malgus.. Hey ... it's Star Wars. No biggie either way. It still fits. Some will like it ... some wont. IMO... it's cool either way !

3. The idea of optimism with the new director .. we will see soon enough. I have no intention of pilling the wood up until I see what shakes out with the launch of 6.0 That said... If there are any plans already slated to release some more good teaser stuff like Hearts and Minds... that would be a good idea.
The reunions on Iokath were well incorporated into that overall story, though. Quinn and Dorne appeared for all eight classes, and were in several scenes (depending on one's allegiance there). They were also written in-character, particularly Dorne, IMHO. Dorne will not stay with a trooper who sides Empire, and doesn't mince words about it. Quinn's death appeared to be nothing more than fan service, but aside from that, Quinn and Dorne actually had more screen time than any other returned companions since KOTFE, as scary as that sounds. They also sent letters after Umbara.

Raina Temple's return in Copero, as well as her reason for being absent, also made sense IMHO.

But the two-minute wonders have numerous continuity flaws, characters not recognizing people they should know, characters behaving in absolutely brainless ways (ie, Andronikos claiming he didn't know who was in charge of the Alliance?), time inconsistencies, conflict with what Ranos and Hexid said earlier, etc. Those characters aren't incorporated into the main story at all.

The hypothesis I would support, and it's all conjecture, is that the Iokath and Copero reunions with Dorne, Quinn and Temple were perhaps salvaged from material that was meant for KOTET's scrapped chapters, while the two minute wonders were more hastily written later on to compensate and find a way to bring back companions. They had the air of, "here, fine, the companions are back, happy now?"

I think it's a fair point that companions and our characters' relationships with NPCs have not been a point of major attention for them, considering that they haven't even incorporated companions into scenes where they would be relevant (Exhibit A: Koth not reacting to the Gravestone's fate or even appearing silently in that flashpoint). They also chose to kill off those 20 NPCs in one fell swoop on Nathema, including some that were very beloved and had been requested fairly often and others that were key story figures.

But where I think I differ in my opinion from the OP is that I don't think there's any evidence that the devs have changed their tune or we can expect tons more interactions with companions. At this point I think it's reasonable to expect/worry that any companions will be ignored at best and killed off in whatever bloodbath they script next, given past experience.

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Rolodome
07.20.2019 , 11:53 PM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by OlBuzzard View Post
3. The idea of optimism with the new director .. we will see soon enough. I have no intention of pilling the wood up until I see what shakes out with the launch of 6.0 That said... If there are any plans already slated to release some more good teaser stuff like Hearts and Minds... that would be a good idea.
I'm with you on Hearts and Minds being well done. I enjoyed the little subtleties of it and the being able to tell some fun story without a combat break every other minute.
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rumpol
07.21.2019 , 07:55 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon View Post
You'll have to look for it yourself but it was an interview with the original Developers.

He wasn't meant to die.

They changed the False Emperor mechanic because of a glitch.

It was a wrong righted.
I looked for a source. The only ones I can find are quotes by you. Ones from 2015 where you were saying exactly the same thing and other people refuting what you were saying. So unless you have a better source then it's just wishful thinking.

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RameiArashi
07.22.2019 , 03:51 PM | #34
Hearts and Minds is best on a republic saboteur. You make a fool of yourself in the interview but its funny.
Imperial saboteur not as good but still funny.

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ZionHalcyon
07.22.2019 , 04:15 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by rumpol View Post
I looked for a source. The only ones I can find are quotes by you. Ones from 2015 where you were saying exactly the same thing and other people refuting what you were saying. So unless you have a better source then it's just wishful thinking.
Tried to find it as well, but hey, you know what?

Wishful thinking or not, Malgus is back and any tantrum you have isn't going to change that.

(Although I really wish I could find the article I read back then - it was from one of the writers of false emperor who was let go after the first Dev purge by EA).

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ZionHalcyon
07.22.2019 , 04:26 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by RameiArashi View Post
Hearts and Minds is best on a republic saboteur. You make a fool of yourself in the interview but its funny.
Imperial saboteur not as good but still funny.
Sorry, but I disagree. Nothing is as hilariously cringe-worthy as "EM-PIRE! EM-PIRE! EM-PIRE!"

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OlBuzzard
07.22.2019 , 05:24 PM | #37
I think we are loosing focus here!
Companions are bricked ... or AKA .. turned into blocks of wood.
We need to get companions back to a more integral part of the game ... again.
We need to be able to choose our companions again when accepting missions ... again !

IMO.. companions "bricked" is not coming ... it is already HERE ! JUS is proof of that !

Regardless of who is running things: companions need to make a come back.. and if anything allowed to expand from where they were prior to Forged Alliances !
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