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I'm quitting SWTOR and won't be running the progression thread anymore. For more info, click the link:

 

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=6526644#post6526644

 

Rules:

 

Please format your posts like the following:

Guild Name

Empire or Republic

What raid you are doing

What boss you killed

What day/time you killed it with your timezone

Sceenshot or video proof

 

For Example:

 

Tatooine Royal Navy

Republic

8 Man NMEC

Kephess

11/27/12 10:08pm PST

http://i.imgur.com/lM7oR.jpg

 

Post a screenshot of all kills:

Must have proof of difficulty mode. All screenshots must be unedited screenshots with the game clock clearly shown. Please post a direct link to the screenshot/video. I don't want to have to go digging through your guild's webpage to find it. There are a few different ways you can post an acceptable screenshot/video:

 

1. Take a screenshot the second the boss dies and the "Achievement Unlocked" is still on your screen.

 

2. If you were too slow in getting the screenshot for option 1, you can just open your achievement list and show the difficulty beaten there.

 

3. In the event one of the first two options aren't avialable due to weird glitches, another option would be to show the boss corpse with the raid difficultly shown, like so: http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c265/c0nrad/screenshot2013012019575_zps6c486b74.jpg A screenshot just showing the boss health will no longer be accepted, due to the glitch shown here.

 

4. Post a screenshot showing the loot the boss dropped.

 

5. Videos are also great.

 

Ranking:

Ranking for this is going to be real simple. Guilds will be ranked by whoever is the furthest, and whoever got there fastest. In the long run, the winner will be whoever clears a raid first. Note that unlike last time around, the two raids will be tracked separately this time.

 

The time of everyone's most recent boss kill will be posted in PDT. Please make sure your clock is visible in your screenshot, and you post your timezone. If I can't tell when you killed the boss, I'll use the time of your post instead.

 

Pugs and Full Guild Kills:

All progression kills have to be full guild kills. All screenshots for proof of kills have to be in the instance shortly after the boss dies, and all 8/16 people must be seen in the raid frames in the screenshot. What constitutes a guild kill should be fairly obvious, but things like alts and people switching guilds make it way too complicated. Here are some general guidelines, but ultimately the call is up to me. I plan on being pretty lenient about this. Get kills with your guild members, don't try and use ringers, and you will be fine.

 

Additional PUG / Guild kills rules, guidelines, and exceptions (again, some are gonna be subjective)

 

Screenshots must show that your kills are full guild kills. No more just posting your achievement by yourself on the fleet after the fact. In your screenshot you need to have the raid frames shown, so that everyone can see the name of every person that took part in the kill. Preferably have nameplates turned on so that everyone can easily see that everyone has a guild tag. This rule will ALWAYS be strictly enforced.

 

For example, I am a member of Tatooine Royal Navy. If an imaginary guild called "Super 1337 Awesome Guild" posts a screenshot, and you can see Denchet in their raid frames, then its obviously not a full Super 1337 Awesome Guild kill, and they wouldn't get credit for a guild kill.

 

A character becomes "locked" when it gets a kill for a guild. For example, lets say I get a kill with Tatooine Royal Navy on my main, Denchet. The character Denchet is now locked to TRN. If I try and help another guild on Denchet, that kill won't count. The only way to become "unlocked" is if the guild you are locked to disbands. This rule will be loosened two weeks after the raid is cleared in order to allow characters to permanently switch to a different guild. People constantly switching back and forth to different guilds to act as ringers will never be allowed, though. This will obviously be somewhat subjective and the final call is up to me.

 

Quick question on pug rules. If a member of my guild has an alt in another guild and that alt is part of our guild does it count as a guild kill? (probably only relevant for us on 16 man). I can see both sides of it since it's hard to verify/toon truly not in guild, but it's also not a pug. Worth getting clarity in advance.

 

Good question. That will count as a guild kill, as long as you can prove it. Just have them post a picture of their legacy window if anyone tries to challenge the legitimacy of your kill.

 

For example, lets say I had an alt creatively named Denchetalt. Lets assume this alt is in Chatos Paladins. If Tatooine Royal Navy then clears content with Denchetalt, they would still get credit, even though Denchetalt is in another guild. To prove it, I would log in on Denchet, open my legacy window, take a screenshot showing that Denchetalt is also my character, and post it here. I hope that makes sense... I know its kind of confusing.

 

 

Any kills that have pugs will be recorded, but they will be unranked (put on the bottom of the list) and have an asterisk indicating they were pug kills. If the guild later clears the content as a full guild, the pug kill will be removed and replaced with the new full guild kill.

 

All PUG rulles will become more lenient over time. The only rule that will always be strictly enforced is the rule that all 8/16 people need to be seen in your screenshots. I may give leniency on the other rules after the main race amongst the tops guilds is over if I don't suspect foul play.

 

Must have a screenshot for each boss:

No more just putting up a screenshot of the last boss, you need one for each boss you kill. The reasons are:

 

1. You could theoretically skip straight to the last boss by killing all the other bosses on HM, and then just killing the last boss on NM. This is not allowed, obviously.

2. You could do something similar on 16-man, killing all the bosses other than the last boss on 8-man then switching it to 16 for the last boss. Again, not allowed.

3. Just showing your achievement list of all the other bosses being beaten isn't good enough, I need to see that every kill is a full guild kill.

 

If you just post a screenshot of the last boss being killed, you will only get credit for killing the last boss.

 

Skipping Bosses:

Skipping the Dread Guard Council (or any other boss) is not allowed. If you skip them, any progression you make after them that week WILL NOT BE COUNTED. You will NOT be banned from the thread. If you come back next week and kill the bosses in the correct order, it will be counted.

 

Cheating:

 

Any cases of blatant cheating will be disqualified. And by blatant, I mean blatant. Clever use of class mechanics, positioning, etc won't count as cheating. For example, sages pulling people to prevent damage from standing under the walker on EC Kephess, ignoring the rock throw mechanic on the T&Z fight, positioning yourself outside the range of Vorgath's turrets, etc are all legitimate strats as far as this thread is concerned. Things that would count as cheating include hacking, the old holostatue glitch, the old bring 16 people into 8 man glitch, etc.

 

I really, really don't want to have to DQ anyone for cheating. I hope to never have to do it, and will only do so in the most extreme of circumstances.

 

Nightmare Terror From Beyond:

 

Key:

Republic

Empire

Boss is killed

Boss has not been killed

 

8-Man

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Hatred 6/26 12:45am

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Haterade 7/8 9:01pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] YES 7/6 11:13pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Decimation 6/12 10:30am

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Ewokalypse Now 6/12 10:50am

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] APEX 6/12 1:51pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Tatooine Royal Navy 6/12 5:13pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Animosity 6/12 5:39pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Psy-Ops 6/12 5:44pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Tyranny 6/12 7:14pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Knights of the First Order 6/12 7:27pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] The Chatos Paladins 6/12 9:30pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Solo's Cholos 6/12 10:29pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] The Silver Order 6/12 10:40pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Night Stalkers 6/13 12:53am

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Fearless Arms 6/13 1:02am

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] MLP Friendship is Magic 6/14 6:31pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Swoop Gang 6/19 7:28pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Force in Balance 6/19 9:54pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Excession 6/20 5:09am

 

16-Man

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Select Few 6/18 7:07pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Momentum 6/18 7:22pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Midian 6/27 4:40am

 

2-Hour NM Title Unlocked (8-man or 16-man):

Hatred 7/2 8:44pm

 

NMTFB Individual Boss Order:

 

8-Man

 

The Writhing Horror:

Haterade

Decimation

Ewokalypse Now

 

Dread Guard Council:

Hatred

Haterade

YES

 

Operator IX:

Hatred

Haterade

Guild 3

 

Kephess the Undying:

Hatred

Haterade

Guild 3

 

Terror From Beyond:

Hatred

Haterade

Guild 3

 

16-Man

 

The Writhing Horror:

Select Few

Momentum

Midian

 

Dread Guard Council:

Guild 1

Guild 2

Guild 3

 

Operator IX:

Guild 1

Guild 2

Guild 3

 

Kephess the Undying:

Guild 1

Guild 2

Guild 3

 

Terror From Beyond:

Guild 1

Guild 2

Guild 3

 

Patches related to this content:

6/25/13 2:45am: Dread Guard Council enrage timer increased by 30 seconds

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Nightmare Scum and Villainy:

 

Key:

Republic

Empire

Boss is killed

Boss has not been killed

 

8-Man

[DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak]

 

16-Man

[DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak]

 

2-Hour NM Title Unlocked (8-man or 16-man):

No one has this yet. Be the first!

 

NMSV Individual Boss Order:

 

8-Man

 

Dash'roode:

Guild 1

Guild 2

Guild 3

 

Titan 6:

Guild 1

Guild 2

Guild 3

 

Thrasher:

Guild 1

Guild 2

Guild 3

 

Ops Chief:

Guild 1

Guild 2

Guild 3

 

Olok the Shadow:

Guild 1

Guild 2

Guild 3

 

The Cartel Warlords:

Guild 1

Guild 2

Guild 3

 

Dread Master Styrak:

Guild 1

Guild 2

Guild 3

 

16-Man

 

Dash'roode:

Guild 1

Guild 2

Guild 3

 

Titan 6:

Guild 1

Guild 2

Guild 3

 

Thrasher:

Guild 1

Guild 2

Guild 3

 

Ops Chief:

Guild 1

Guild 2

Guild 3

 

Olok the Shadow:

Guild 1

Guild 2

Guild 3

 

The Cartel Warlords:

Guild 1

Guild 2

Guild 3

 

Dread Master Styrak:

Guild 1

Guild 2

Guild 3

 

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Old Content:

This old content is no longer being updated.

 

HMSV

 

A note on Golden Fury:

Golden Fury is being tracked, but it will not affect the progression order. Think of it as a bonus. The reason its not affecting the progression order is because I didn't originally have it as part of the progression, and it wouldn't be fair to change the rules retroactively. I didn't originally have it as part of the progression because the world bosses have been so inconsistent thus far. The first few world bosses were way too easy, NP was both easy and didn't have an 8 man mode, DT didn't have an 8 or 16 man mode, and wasn't part of the progression. If they start consistently adding world bosses that are a) instanced, b) have an 8man and 16man mode, and c) have a hard mode that is part of the gear progression, then I will consider making them part of the progression in future threads. For now though, its just a bonus.

Key:

Republic

Empire

Boss is killed

Boss has not been killed

 

8-Man

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Hatred 4/12 1:21am

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Haterade 4/13 9:23pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Animosity 4/14 7:35pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Momentum 4/15 6:58pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] The Silver Order 4/15 10:05pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Tyranny 4/18 9:48pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Tatooine Royal Navy 4/18 9:50pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Select Few 4/18 11:39pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Decimation 4/20 11:00pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] APEX 4/24 7:39pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Fearless Arms 4/28 1:40am

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Cookies and Kreame 4/29 7:32am

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] The Chatos Paladins 4/30 12:40am

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Force in Balance 5/5 4:55pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Envy 5/5 8:22pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] MLP Friendship is Magic 5/11 9:24pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Night Stalkers 5/12 11:46pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Invalid Target 5/18 10:47pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Knights of the First Order 5/19 7:45pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Swoop Gang 5/20 7:13pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] House Targaryen 5/26 10:03pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Incursio 6/8 8:38pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Pax Fatalis 6/10 8:17pm

 

16-Man

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Select Few 4/23 9:22pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Momentum 4/24 6:20pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] The Chatos Paladins 5/15 11:09pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] MLP Friendship is Magic 5/18 10:46pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Decimation 5/25 10:14pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Haterade 6/5 1:58am

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Tyranny 6/11 10:12pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] YES / Invalid Target 6/11 10:27pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Despair 5/9 10:12pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Force in Balance 5/21 7:44pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Tyranny 5/23 7:56pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Invalid Target 5/25 9:02pm

[GF] - [DR][T6][Thrasher][OC][Olok][Warlords][styrak] Animosity 6/6 10:54pm

 

55 HMTFB

 

Take the progression order here with a grain of salt, the real contest was for HMSV. This was only tracked because it was technically part of progression.

 

Key:

Republic

Empire

Boss has been killed

Boss has not been killed

 

8-Man

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Haterade 4/10 9:55pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Hatred 4/12 10:46pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Animosity 4/13 12:56am

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] The Silver Order 4/13 1:23am

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Select Few 4/14 9:02pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] APEX 4/15 7:54pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Tyranny 4/15 8:08pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] The Chatos Paladins 4/15 10:33pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Decimation 4/18 12:03am

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Fearless Arms 4/18 2:26am

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Tatooine Royal Navy 4/21 8:50pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Cookies and Kreame 4/29 6:04am

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Force in Balance 5/1 10:54pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] MLP Friendship is Magic 5/4 11:07pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Swoop Gang 5/9 7:32pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Night Stalkers 5/9 11:00pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Invalid Target 5/17 8:28am

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Incursio 6/8 6:27pm

 

16-Man

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Select Few 4/25 8:56pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Momentum 5/8 8:14pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] The Chatos Paladins 5/21 10:58pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Decimation 6/2 12:38am

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Animosity 4/23 10:04pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] MLP Friendship is Magic 5/24 7:45pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Haterade 6/5 3:21am

 

50 HMTFB/NMEC

 

Key:

Republic

Empire

Inactive Guild/Guild that no longer exists

Boss is killed

Boss has not been killed

 

8 Man:

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Hatred 11/22 7:47pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Tatooine Royal Navy 11/27 10:08pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] The Silver Order 12/3 9:25pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Haterade 1/2 10:15pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Animosity 1/9 7:53pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Momentum 1/20 7:57pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] APEX 1/23 7:48pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Cookies and Kreame 1/24 1:40am

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Tyranny 1/24 7:40pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Psy-Ops 1/27 8:34pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] We Ordered Silver 2/07 9:15pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] MLP Friendship is Magic 2/9 7:34pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Adroit 2/16 4:13pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Select Few 3/21 8:07pm

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Envy

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Premonition

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] DVSgaming

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Deadweight

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Mandalorian Janitoral Corps

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Chatos Paladins

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] PUGS

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Forgotten Hope

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Fearless Arms

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Elitist Isolationists

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Sedition

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Asylum

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Supertroopers

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Nova

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] PostMortem

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] The Walking Carpets

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Funkateers

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Casual Raiders

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Death Watch

 

16 Man:

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Select Few

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Hatred

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Momentum

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Elitist Isolationists

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Premonition

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Deadweight (plus friends)*

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Animosity

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] APEX

[WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] - [T/Z][sC/FB][Vorgath][Kephess] Psy-Ops

* 13 Deadweight, 2 Fearless Arms, 1 DVSgaming

 

NMEC Two Hour Title Unlocked:

Tatooine Royal Navy 12/12/12 8:09pm

The Silver Order 12/16/12 10:17pm

Hatred 12/18/12 7:30~pm*

Haterade 1/29/13 9:09pm

APEX 1/31/13 7:43pm

Animosity 2/5/13 8:40pm

We Ordered Silver 2/7/13 9:15pm

Momentum 2/12/13 9:56pm

Tyranny 2/13/13 8:58pm

Adroit 2/16/13 4:13pm

* No screenshot in this thread due to a glitch, info can be found here.

 

TFB Bonus Boss:

[10-Stack Dreadtooth][Dreadful Entity] Hatred* 2/10/13 10:40pm

[10-Stack Dreadtooth][Dreadful Entity] Animosity** 2/26/13 8:19pm

[10-Stack Dreadtooth][Dreadful Entity] Haterade** 2/18/13 7:59pm

[10-Stack Dreadtooth][Dreadful Entity] APEX*** 3/28/13 7:02pm

*21 Hatred / 3 APEX Dreadtooth; Full Hatred Dreadful Entity

**Animosity and Haterade teamed up for 24-man 10-stack kill

***Animosity helped on 10-stack Dreadtooth

 

Patches related to this content:

1/8/13: NMEC. Kephess's enrage timer increased from 4:00min to 5:30min.

 

 

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Quick question on pug rules. If a member of my guild has an alt in another guild and that alt is part of our guild does it count as a guild kill? (probably only relevant for us on 16 man). I can see both sides of it since it's hard to verify/toon truly not in guild, but it's also not a pug. Worth getting clarity in advance.
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Quick question on pug rules. If a member of my guild has an alt in another guild and that alt is part of our guild does it count as a guild kill? (probably only relevant for us on 16 man). I can see both sides of it since it's hard to verify/toon truly not in guild, but it's also not a pug. Worth getting clarity in advance.

 

Good question. That will count as a guild kill, as long as you can prove it. Just have them post a picture of their legacy window if anyone tries to challenge the legitimacy of your kill.

 

For example, lets say I had an alt creatively named Denchetalt. Lets assume this alt is in Chatos Paladins. If Tatooine Royal Navy then clears content with Denchetalt, they would still get credit, even though Denchetalt is in another guild. To prove it, I would log in on Denchet, open my legacy window, take a screenshot showing that Denchetalt is also my character, and post it here. I hope that makes sense... I know its kind of confusing.

 

For the record, all of my alts are in TRN (or are Imperial and are in Hoth Royal Navy), so I am by no means trying to loosen the alt rules for my own benefit or anything.

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Congratulations in advance to the guilds that have already cleared this content on the test server, thus eliminating the possibility of there being any meaningful progression race.

 

Note: I don't blame any guilds for doing this. I blame the devs for stupidly making Nightmare Mode operations -- content that is literally of interest ONLY to serious progression raiders -- publicly available for pre-launch testing. It's a shame they ruined what was once a fun competition between guilds. :(

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Why are you so serious about guild kills?

Pug kills are kills no matter what.

 

Pug kills are fine. The problem is guilds trying to pass off pug kills as full guild kills.

 

I understand that there are legitimate, static groups out there doing progression that just aren't guilded, but I don't know how I would track that without it being a giant pain.

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Congratulations in advance to the guilds that have already cleared this content on the test server, thus eliminating the possibility of there being any meaningful progression race.

 

Note: I don't blame any guilds for doing this. I blame the devs for stupidly making Nightmare Mode operations -- content that is literally of interest ONLY to serious progression raiders -- publicly available for pre-launch testing. It's a shame they ruined what was once a fun competition between guilds. :(

 

I was thinking about putting a long rant about this as the fourth post of this thread, but opted not to. I agree though, it is dumb. I'm fully expecting several guilds to beat NMTFB on the first day, and it just ends up being a competition of who has more raiders willing to skip work on Tuesday. Some guilds have already cleared it on the PTS, and for guilds that haven't there have already been guides posted. I by no means blame the players or the guide posters, its on BW for their anti-progression testing system.

 

I'm still hoping they actually listened to feedback and increased the difficulty on 8-man, but I'm not holding my breath.

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So if a guild has a PUG in the group but the PUG has a level 10 alt in the guild its considered a guild kill correct?

 

If people are gonna try and abuse it by dropping random low level alts in guilds then I'll have the change the rules.

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LOL just like giving u a hard time.

 

:(

 

I guess its gonna end up being somewhat subjective. The goal is really just to prevent guilds from getting ringers, or claiming complete pug kills as guild kills.

 

Oh, and to stop all the people just posting pictures of themselves on the fleet with their achievement window open a week after a kill. I doubt anyone is really trying to be malicious with this, but it raises a lot of doubt.

 

For example, lets say I post a picture of myself on the fleet, by myself, with just the achievement open. For all anyone knows I was just a PUG in a Silver Order raid and am trying to claim that as a TRN kill.

 

The goal is not for me to be draconian, but there was some confusion on how the pug rules worked (I got PMs about it), so I'm just trying to iron out some sort of system. In the end some discretion may just be up to me, and I plan on being pretty lenient. Like when Hatred got their NMEC clear with two "pugs" that were alts of mains that were actually in Hatred. That is the kind of thing I would allow.

 

I don't think (well, I hope) that anyone is gonna try and cheat the system by randomly dropping alts in tons of guilds just so those guilds get progression credit. The prestigious raiders of The Harbinger are better than that (again, I hope...). :cool:

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Congratulations in advance to the guilds that have already cleared this content on the test server, thus eliminating the possibility of there being any meaningful progression race.

 

Note: I don't blame any guilds for doing this. I blame the devs for stupidly making Nightmare Mode operations -- content that is literally of interest ONLY to serious progression raiders -- publicly available for pre-launch testing. It's a shame they ruined what was once a fun competition between guilds. :(

 

forget this post... lol mistake

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Congratulations in advance to the guilds that have already cleared this content on the test server, thus eliminating the possibility of there being any meaningful progression race.

 

Note: I don't blame any guilds for doing this. I blame the devs for stupidly making Nightmare Mode operations -- content that is literally of interest ONLY to serious progression raiders -- publicly available for pre-launch testing. It's a shame they ruined what was once a fun competition between guilds. :(

 

i Agree, this is "lets see who gets on" race for content is really annoying, as far as we try, we always end up mixing groups and stuff since people is busy, and for this content, might miss few people as well, and thats not the idea, we cleared pts in 6 hours, i assume all other guilds that went there did too... it is really easy... tehy closed PTS for nim SaV, hoepfully they wont open again and we can have a real competition between servers in one month, instead of this joke competition, i know at least 5 guilds cleared in pts, and have cappabilities of clearing in 4-5 hours, and it will just be a "who logs in first", so lets see who gets the price :) good luck :).

 

btw if you didnt do pts and / or have question about the fights, considering all the "progress" guilds are so jealous with their strats have all videos / streams with PW. Dulfy.net has all our videos strategies and some NiM SaV quick look, so go ahead and take advantage of that and beat other servers :)... thats our help to the community :D.

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:(

 

Oh, and to stop all the people just posting pictures of themselves on the fleet with their achievement window open a week after a kill. I doubt anyone is really trying to be malicious with this, but it raises a lot of doubt.

 

For example, lets say I post a picture of myself on the fleet, by myself, with just the achievement open. For all anyone knows I was just a PUG in a Silver Order raid and am trying to claim that as a TRN kill.

I don't understand why people would do that at all. What's the point of lying about your guild's progression like that? I get it if the content has only been out for a week or so and you had a PUG fill, but just running with another guild alone and then claiming that your guild did it is ridiculous. It just puts your guild in a losing position as people may join with the intention of breezing through top-content and quickly realize the lie as the guild run can't clear the first boss after the reported clear due to not knowing the mechanics well-enough.

 

If people were doing that they are silly.

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I don't understand why people would do that at all. What's the point of lying about your guild's progression like that? I get it if the content has only been out for a week or so and you had a PUG fill, but just running with another guild alone and then claiming that your guild did it is ridiculous. It just puts your guild in a losing position as people may join with the intention of breezing through top-content and quickly realize the lie as the guild run can't clear the first boss after the reported clear due to not knowing the mechanics well-enough.

 

If people were doing that they are silly.

 

That was a bit of an extreme example. I would be shocked if anyone actually tried to do that. Its more just to remove any doubt that someone's kill was in fact a guild kill. I want it to be crystal clear, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that everyone's kills are full guild kills. It leaves less room for people to whine and complain and try and challenge the legitimacy of other peoples kills.

 

The easiest thing for me would be just to require everyone to take a screenshot with everyone involved in the kill in the picture, with guild tags turned on, some proof of difficulty in the picture, and a browser window open with an online clock in UTC. But I felt that was a bit much to ask, so just a screenshot shortly after the boss dies with proof of difficulty and raid frames shown will be fine. Though if you want to do what I described (with the clock and everything), that makes my job slightly easier. :)

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i Agree, this is "lets see who gets on" race for content is really annoying, as far as we try, we always end up mixing groups and stuff since people is busy, and for this content, might miss few people as well, and thats not the idea, we cleared pts in 6 hours, i assume all other guilds that went there did too... it is really easy... tehy closed PTS for nim SaV, hoepfully they wont open again and we can have a real competition between servers in one month, instead of this joke competition, i know at least 5 guilds cleared in pts, and have cappabilities of clearing in 4-5 hours, and it will just be a "who logs in first", so lets see who gets the price :) good luck :).

 

btw if you didnt do pts and / or have question about the fights, considering all the "progress" guilds are so jealous with their strats have all videos / streams with PW. Dulfy.net has all our videos strategies and some NiM SaV quick look, so go ahead and take advantage of that and beat other servers :)... thats our help to the community :D.

 

I imagine its even worse for the world progression race since we have to go against European guilds that don't even have to take off work in order to start as soon as the servers come up. I'll be shocked if there aren't some guilds getting their NM titles within 2-3 hours of the servers opening on Tuesday.

 

How far did people get into NMSV on the PTS? I imagine some guilds beat it, but all the streams I saw people posting were locked.

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I imagine its even worse for the world progression race since we have to go against European guilds that don't even have to take off work in order to start as soon as the servers come up. I'll be shocked if there aren't some guilds getting their NM titles within 2-3 hours of the servers opening on Tuesday.

 

How far did people get into NMSV on the PTS? I imagine some guilds beat it, but all the streams I saw people posting were locked.

 

with the pts forums info, the only guild that actually cleared something from SaV were us... we killed first 2.... trasher was actually challenging (and buggy), we found out a way to do it, but last day we tried had a 162 geared ssin tank alt, he just instantly died to snipers, no way to avoid, when our jug basically killed them all with saber reflect lol... but trasher its a hard fight... no other guild posted any info, neither i saw any person inside darvannis when i was in pts outside us, but like i said, ppl are jealous with their info, and might have tried and not tell anyone... so like i said dulfy.net has all our vids incluiding first 2 bosses and tfb nim, info and guide, everything u want to know or might not know, our secrets, everything its there.

like i said, its open beta, anyone could have done it, no special reason why we need an "advantage" hiding our videos, go ahead and copy them if u want, hopefully we can get 2-3 guilds on top 10 world ranking, we have good potential in the server, just lack of determination in comparison to others(even us fall behind, in comparison to other US/EU guilds in terms of excitement and spend time doing Ops, and trust me, we spend a lot of time lol) and since all the content since we got W.3rd and W1st 8 man group killing Dtooth 10 (the last actually hard content weve had in the game) everything has been "log in first, gets the kill first" its 50% skills 50% having free day to log on earlier, to be on the rankings lol, some of our good guilds fell behind in rankings, just because they couldnt log on early :S.

 

. we just killed first two bosses once... TBH first 3 Darv bosses > any TFB fight... so it will be a better content than nim tfb :)

 

Ps: go ahead and watch the videos, to prepare for content, even if u know the perfect strat and cleared in pts, and we might be doing something wrong, u might catch some tips there, so it wont hurt anyone, and if anyone here recorded their pts kills, i would love to watch those videos too :D.

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If we are seeing content being cleared by top guilds within hours or even a day of each other, I can assume it has to do more with time people can raid rather than skill or coordination. All that means is the content is not hard enough to be that worthwhile. EC NiM Keph is a great example of how to do content correctly. It took people weeks of practice and gearing just to beat him and even after beating him you could never just go into the instance and derp around, hell you still can't. Hopefully we will see the same thing from SaV and that is assuming TfB is roughly the same as it was on the PTS. If we are lucky they (Bioware) would have done a complete overhaul of tfb making it an actual difficult operation even on NiM. Edited by mastirkal
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Rules are clear and look good. Thanks again for leading the charge denchet.

 

As for NiM S&V I know at least one other guild got to thrasher and got destroyed. I watched them struggle on twitch, there is a massive amount of damage going out, should be fun.

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I like the rules but this pug thing could be a little lighter due to a player in the guild could have an alt in a friends guild and be using that alt in the run would make the team suffer even though his main is part of the raid team.

 

You might ask why isn't he on the main toon they could have many reasons.

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EC NiM Keph is a great example of how to do content correctly.

 

Damage wise it was pretty good (i.e. worthy of being NiM) but incredibly badly balanced. Shadow tanks just made it much easier. Spent month and a half running into a wall, recruited a Shadow and cleared in 2 weeks.

 

I can see the PuG rules with a possible exploit but hopefully nobody will do it and there is really now way of preventing it.

 

Also 500k credits says Hatred gets first. Anybody foolish enough to bet against me?

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