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Annihilation and Carnage PvE Basics

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Annihilation and Carnage PvE Basics

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IAmViiOLENT
01.25.2013 , 12:35 PM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by KarethRiker View Post
Really intrigued by this, although with the next tier of gear the gap should shrink with Carnage.

However in the meantime are you adjusting your force charge rotation at all? Should you do force charge on cooldown regardless of which of your focus spenders are up or do you save it a few seconds to wait for an annihlation/ravage pair?
In a lot of situations where in normal non pvp set bonus situations I wouldn't use force charge and instead use batt assault, the priority becomes force charge if I know my next attacks are going to be high DPE abilities. I do tend to stick to ravage+annihilate when I can, and do modify the rotations a bit to fit with my highest DPE abilities over using it in conjunction with a period of time when I would be using lower damage abilities. This does in fact make it higher boost to damage than the aforementioned ~2% value. On boss fights in particular, making sure to have a charge before your highest burst attacks during a full adrenal/Relic/BT burst phase (Kephess walker drop) you will do more burst damage than carnage seems to be capable of. Even looking at it on a dummy, this force charge boost extends your big opening dps quite a bit extra length of time, and as well as that; if you do make a rotation mistake it does make it easier to recover to your previous number. As I already said, I do heavily advocate this to Anni maras, particularly if you're stubbornly using it in newer raids. There's no reason not to considering how quick it is to grind 4 pieces of WH.

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nosmos
01.26.2013 , 11:50 AM | #82
Hey folks - question about the vindicator set. I recently started using my mara again and was pissed to realize that since BM is gone, if i want the vindicator i have to use pvp armorings - however, its a heavy set so leaving the armorings in means I can't equip it anyway?
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Omophorus
01.26.2013 , 05:33 PM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by IAmViiOLENT View Post
In a lot of situations where in normal non pvp set bonus situations I wouldn't use force charge and instead use batt assault, the priority becomes force charge if I know my next attacks are going to be high DPE abilities. I do tend to stick to ravage+annihilate when I can, and do modify the rotations a bit to fit with my highest DPE abilities over using it in conjunction with a period of time when I would be using lower damage abilities. This does in fact make it higher boost to damage than the aforementioned ~2% value. On boss fights in particular, making sure to have a charge before your highest burst attacks during a full adrenal/Relic/BT burst phase (Kephess walker drop) you will do more burst damage than carnage seems to be capable of. Even looking at it on a dummy, this force charge boost extends your big opening dps quite a bit extra length of time, and as well as that; if you do make a rotation mistake it does make it easier to recover to your previous number. As I already said, I do heavily advocate this to Anni maras, particularly if you're stubbornly using it in newer raids. There's no reason not to considering how quick it is to grind 4 pieces of WH.
One small pushback on the particular situation you're pointing out here.

Kephess.

Tons of opportunity to Force Charge from range.

So, in theory, one might well be best served as *Carnage* with the PVP armorings for burst phases, because on everything in that fight where DPS is at a premium, you're already teed up to Charge in, and most those windows are short enough that you're basically getting one Gore burn in.

A better example might be TFB, since there's a bunch of repeated bursts with gaps, and not enough range on a platform to Charge as Carnage. In that situation, I wouldn't be at all surprised if you could match/exceed Carnage burst as Anni with PVP armorings.
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BlznSmri
01.26.2013 , 09:37 PM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by nosmos View Post
Hey folks - question about the vindicator set. I recently started using my mara again and was pissed to realize that since BM is gone, if i want the vindicator i have to use pvp armorings - however, its a heavy set so leaving the armorings in means I can't equip it anyway?
The Armoring just determine the Set Bonus and how much armor the shell (armor skin) offers. The Shell itself determines whether or not it's Heavy, Medium or Light armor (adaptive armor is bases it's armor level off of your character's maximum armor proficiency).
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Swaaggger
02.08.2013 , 06:40 PM | #85
Could someone post suggested (or their personal) key bindings for both Annihilation and Carnage specs. I am having a lot of trouble figuring this out on my own.

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BlznSmri
02.09.2013 , 01:41 PM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by Swaaggger View Post
Could someone post suggested (or their personal) key bindings for both Annihilation and Carnage specs. I am having a lot of trouble figuring this out on my own.
Here's how I've got it set up for Combat (Carnage)

http://imgur.com/eggBY24
(here are the translations)
1. Charge
2. Assault
3. Massacre
4. Battering Assault
5. Force Scream
6. Gore
7. Rupture
R. Sweeping Slash
E. Obfuscate
F. Force Camou
Q. Unleash
T. Cloak of Pain
All modifiers are Shift:
S1. Berserk
S2. Frenzy
S3. Click Relic
S4. Bloodthirst
S5. Ravage
S6. Savage Kick
S7. Vicious Throw
SR. Smash
SE. Rocket Boost (Obviously use this for an Adrenal or Intimidating Roar
SF. Predation
SQ. Saber Ward
ST. Undying Rage

For Watchmen (Annihilation) it's largely the same.

http://imgur.com/ZWNyxR4

1. Charge
2. Assault
3. Viscious Slash
4. Battering Assault
5. Annihilate
6. Overload Saber
7. Rupture
R. Sweeping Slash
E. Obfuscate
F. Force Camouflage
Q. Unleash
T. Cloak of Pain
S1. Berserk
S2. Frenzy
S3. Click Relic
S4. Bloodthirst
S5. Ravage
S6. Savage Kick
S7. Vicious Throw
SR. Smash
SE. Rocket Boost (Obviously use this for an Adrenal or Intimidating Roar)
SF. Predation
SQ. Saber Ward
ST. Undying Rage

Note: I upscaled this dramatically so y'all can see this, it's at 1.25 scale in the image, where I'm typically at .8 scale. I also have 2 misc bars and obviously have my character portrait and target portrait. Enjoy my space ****.
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Omophorus
02.09.2013 , 03:14 PM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by Swaaggger View Post
Could someone post suggested (or their personal) key bindings for both Annihilation and Carnage specs. I am having a lot of trouble figuring this out on my own.
My first bar is set up like so
Slot 1 (side mouse button 4): Battering Assault
Slot 2 (side mouse button 9): Deadly Saber (Annihilation) || Rupture (Carnage) || Obliterate (Rage)
Slot 3 (side mouse button 7): Rupture (Annihilation) || Force Scream (Carnage) || Vicious Slash (Rage)
Slot 4 (side mouse button 8): Annihilate (Annihilation) || Massacre (Carnage) || Smash (Rage)
Slot 5 (keyboard E): Force Scream (Annihilation) || Gore (Carnage) || Force Crush (Rage)
Slot 6 (side mouse button 10): Ravage
Slot 7 (GShift + side mouse 9): Smash (Annihilation & Carnage) || Rupture (Rage)
Slot 8 (side mouse button 6): Force Charge
Slot 9 (GShift + side mouse 8): Vicious Slash (Annihilation & Carnage) || Force Scream (Rage)
Slot 10 (shift + E): Force Choke
Slot 11 (GShift + side mouse 12): Deadly Throw
Slot 12 (side mouse button 12): Vicious Throw

My first bar is broken up into 2 rows 7/5 (instead of 6/6) since no spec uses more than 6 primary DPS skills + BA, and the bottom half basically comprises utility attacks. If it isn't directly useful to all 3 specs (or is Assault, which has no CD and can easily be chucked off wherever out of the way), it doesn't go on bar 1.

I use an MMO mouse (Logitech G600) so my binds and bars are set up to make it as easy as possible to use core skills with minimum movement of my right thumb. Gore is on the keyboard so that I can use both hands to minimize wasted time between Gore and the following skill.

The main quickbar was set up so that I could shuffle the various core skills around and make the ones most useful on each spec the easiest to reach, based around side mouse button 8 (which is where the tip of my thumb naturally rests as I hold the mouse). I wanted to be able to have logical grouping of my mouse binds so that I wasn't flailing all over to use core skills, whilst having as few changes in position between specs as possible.

Fury buffs are on another quickslot bar, but kebound to 1-4 on the keyboard.

Defensive CDs are on side mouse buttons 1-3 (plus GShift+1) on the mouse, which are slightly harder to reach and thus slightly harder to fat finger by accident.

My interrupt is always bound to F. Intimidating Roar is bound to shift+F. Obfuscate is bound to ctrl+E.

Assault is bound to side mouse 5 (easy to reach) but stuffed way out of the way on my quickslot bars since there's never any reason to have to track it, merely be able to trigger it.

Other miscellaneous things, like medpacks, adrenals, grenades, etc. are bound as close around WASD as possible.

A little hard to visualize, and a little odd in setup, but very easy to actually use and track important CDs without devoting too much attention to quickslots instead of the rest of the screen.
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