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The reason Sorcerers/Sages are OP in PvP

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The reason Sorcerers/Sages are OP in PvP

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Caelrie
02.05.2012 , 01:57 PM | #41
They still have to sit still to cast either force lightning or heals.

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Tumri
02.05.2012 , 02:03 PM | #42
Not that much. The majority of their damage is coming from instant casts and DoTs with the hybrid spec. Force Lightning is a filler that's used to proc Wrath when they're out of harm's way. Having to channel Force Lightning once in a while isn't even close to what other rDPS have to do.

Casting heals in DPS spec is a big bonus if anything. DPS sorcs aren't meant to be showering themselves in big heals.
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Caelrie
02.05.2012 , 02:58 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Tumri View Post
Not that much. The majority of their damage is coming from instant casts and DoTs with the hybrid spec. Force Lightning is a filler that's used to proc Wrath when they're out of harm's way. Having to channel Force Lightning once in a while isn't even close to what other rDPS have to do.

Casting heals in DPS spec is a big bonus if anything. DPS sorcs aren't meant to be showering themselves in big heals.
You seem to talk an awful lot about what classes are "intended" to do. Too bad it's usually contradicted by actual class design. DPS sorcs clearly ARE meant to be casting significant heals, since they can.

Maybe you need to take a step back and realize you're talking about a game you'd design, and not the one the SWTOR devs designed.

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Tumri
02.05.2012 , 03:20 PM | #44
Except that Sorcs can't do significant healing without hybrid speccing OR being bad and spamming heals in combat(it's more effective to DPS instead of use mediocre heals)
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Lingalol
02.05.2012 , 03:26 PM | #45
just another pve terrible marauder that doesn't realize that with gear his class is the most powerful.

Because he has no idea how to play.

BTW, Merc have the same amount of cc we do. More Burst, and more mitigation. I don't see the issue?


The misconception of sorcs do massive damage all comes from wrath and deathfield.

I use it CONSTANTLY when targets are stacked together because its my main dps ability which hits for the same amount on every target it hits. It doesn't crit for massive amounts. But it does do a decent amount of damage.

The class that does the LOWEST burst and single target damage should be doing the MOST overall damage or the class is useless. Grow up, Accept that you aren't very good and Move on. Also, No good sorc goes half lightning, Just to CL. 20% DF and dot crits are much better.

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Tumri
02.05.2012 , 03:32 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Lingalol View Post
just another pve terrible marauder that doesn't realize that with gear his class is the most powerful.

Because he has no idea how to play.

BTW, Merc have the same amount of cc we do. More Burst, and more mitigation. I don't see the issue?


The misconception of sorcs do massive damage all comes from wrath and deathfield.

I use it CONSTANTLY when targets are stacked together because its my main dps ability which hits for the same amount on every target it hits. It doesn't crit for massive amounts. But it does do a decent amount of damage.

The class that does the LOWEST burst and single target damage should be doing the MOST overall damage or the class is useless. Grow up, Accept that you aren't very good and Move on. Also, No good sorc goes half lightning, Just to CL. 20% DF and dot crits are much better.
Another sorcerer that doesn't realize that all the top PvP sorcerers are using the hybrid build to obtain an abnormal amount of CC and utility.

If you actually bothered to read I -DO NOT- want them to nerf ANYTHING. I want them to move some talents higher up the trees so hybrid specs can't get them. What I'm asking for wouldn't even effect you.
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Lingalol
02.05.2012 , 03:34 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Tumri View Post
Another idiot sorcerer that doesn't realize that all the top PvP sorcerers are using the hybrid build to obtain an abnormal amount of CC and utility.
Like I said, No good ones are doing this. Which convinces me to believe you are even worse than I thought if you are losing to those sorcs.

Also, Same amount as a merc either way.

You have no argument.


If you nerf the hybrid spec. They will need to buff both 31 talent points considering they are completely worthless.

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Tumri
02.05.2012 , 03:48 PM | #48
In your previous post you said that nobody used the hybrid spec. Now you're saying if they kill the hybrid spec they'll need to buff the individual specs leading me to believe you use the hybrid spec.


Sounds like you're saying "DONT NERF ME BRO".

Edit: You contradict yourself so much. Which is it? Is nobody using the hybrid spec? If so why would they need to buff the 31 point talents to compensate?
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Kenmuir
02.05.2012 , 03:54 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Lingalol View Post
just another pve terrible marauder that doesn't realize that with gear his class is the most powerful.

Because he has no idea how to play.

BTW, Merc have the same amount of cc we do. More Burst, and more mitigation. I don't see the issue?


The misconception of sorcs do massive damage all comes from wrath and deathfield.

I use it CONSTANTLY when targets are stacked together because its my main dps ability which hits for the same amount on every target it hits. It doesn't crit for massive amounts. But it does do a decent amount of damage.

The class that does the LOWEST burst and single target damage should be doing the MOST overall damage or the class is useless. Grow up, Accept that you aren't very good and Move on. Also, No good sorc goes half lightning, Just to CL. 20% DF and dot crits are much better.
Merc/Commando having the same CC as a Sorc/Sage? Can I please come to your fantasy land? Because that statement is just factually untrue.

Just to compare:

Shield(Insta cast heal, awesome scaling, appliable to others, run speed buff(talented)) -> nothing
aoe knockback(20s cooldown, 8m range), with talents immoblizes for up to 5s, unlimited targets -> aoe knockback(30s(20s talented) cooldown, 4m range(8m talented), with 4s slow, max 5 targets
speed boost -> nothing
30m 6s slow, 12s cooldown -> nothing
30m Ranged Interupt, 4s(6s talented) lockout, 12s cooldown-> nothing
Extrication -> nothing
4s stun 60s cooldown(50s talented), deals damage -> 4s stun 60s cooldown, no damage
3s 50% channeled slow -> nothing or 25 pts in gunnery for 50% channeld slow
force armor aoe sleep(talented) -> stock strike single target knockback(talented)
in combat rez -> nothing

That's a lot of nothing that the other ranged dps/healer class gets. It's also nice that i get to spend talent points to make my abilities have the same effects that sage/sorc get base line. The only thing that commando/mercenary gets base line that sage/sorc doesn't is a 12second 25% damage reduction with a 2 minute cooldown. Your opponent would have to do 12k damage or more in 12seconds for that to be better. The downside is that reactive shield has a 2 minute cooldown, compared to the 20s cooldown on force armor and reactive shield can not be cast on other people.

On armor:
Most dps classes have ~50% armor reduction, or deal elemental/internal damage, so to say that 30% mitigation vs 15% mitigation is meaningful is about as truthful as saying that sorc/sage has better defense due to having twice the base avoidance chance(10% vs 5%).

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Tumri
02.05.2012 , 03:58 PM | #50
^ Thank you. I really didn't want to write up a comparison of Sorcs/Sages and Sniper/Smugglers and Mercs/Commandos. Commandos/Merc actually get a decent amount in comparison to Snipers/Smugglers but even they are nothing in comparison to the absolutely dominant control and utility that a hybrid sorc gets.
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