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Which DPS has best DPS & group raid abilities coupled w/ most best 2ndary heals?

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Which DPS has best DPS & group raid abilities coupled w/ most best 2ndary heals?

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Letsjet
10.16.2020 , 12:57 PM | #1
Which DPS has best DPS & group raid abilities coupled w/ most best 2ndary heals?
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10.18.2020 , 02:42 AM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by Letsjet View Post
Which DPS has best DPS & group raid abilities coupled w/ most best 2ndary heals?
Clearly not Senti/Mara or Slinger/Sniper.

You're unlikely to get a better answer than that.
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10.18.2020 , 04:44 AM | #3
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Clearly not Senti/Mara or Slinger/Sniper.

You're unlikely to get a better answer than that.
I would add Shadow / Assassin and Vanguard / Powertech to that list, as well.
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10.18.2020 , 08:11 AM | #4
I mean there are only two advanced classes that can dps and have actual heals. Anni/Watch can heal the group but its more of a tertiary heal than a secondary heal, which I interpret to mean an actual ability you activate to heal a target. So that means either Scoundrel/Op or Sage/Sorc.

Force Empowerment/Unlimited Power, the raid buff for Sage/Sorc, boosts stats that are impacted by level sync (mastery, endurance) or useless in operations (presence). It does provide a small group heal though, which can be useful during a final push when the group is taking a lot of raid-wide damage, like Underlurker in ToS.

Stack the Deck/Tactical Superiority is the Scoundrel/Operative version which increases critical chance, which is not affected by level sync, and therefore is always useful.

So, really, there is only one advanced class which fits all three your three criteria.
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10.18.2020 , 08:55 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by phalczen View Post
I mean there are only two advanced classes that can dps and have actual heals.
Three. Sage / Sorcerer, Scoundrel / Operative, and Commando / Mercenary all have secondary heals. Although, I can understand why you might forget them. Mando / Merc secondary heals do seem to be the worse of the three.
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10.18.2020 , 04:52 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by ceryxp View Post
Three. Sage / Sorcerer, Scoundrel / Operative, and Commando / Mercenary all have secondary heals. Although, I can understand why you might forget them. Mando / Merc secondary heals do seem to be the worse of the three.
Yes, you're right, I was stupid. I completely forgot that Mando/Merc has the Supercharged Celerity raid buff.

10% alacrity is enough, usually, to bring someone to the next GCD threshold. That may or may not be beneficial, if you have important procs that affect your rotation, since internal cooldowns/timers on procs aren't affected by alacrity. So, the Mando/Merc raid buff may or may not mess with rotations, so raid needs to be careful ... Sage raid buff is useless except in uncapped content, and Scoundrel raid buff is useful to everyone all the time.

M/M only have the cleanse and the casted heal, whereas I think Sages have additionally have a HoT, and Scoundrels also get a channel and a HoT.

Mandos and Scoundrels gain some benefit to their heals even with their dps set bonus, whereas the benefit to heals from the set bonus for Sages is a little more subtle. Endless Offensive needs the Storm's Succor/Metaphysical Mending tactical to work its off heal magic, which you most likely won't be using if you are a dps sage. Gathering Storm's 4 piece critical bonus doesn't affect heals, but it does provide more uptime to Mental Alacrity/Polarity Shift which can be helpful if you are being utilized a lot for heals, but its a longer wait than having to rebuild Power Step stacks like Apex or Supercharge like CF. Same with Scoundrels, they build Upper Hands far quicker than using Force Speed to reduce Mental Alacrity's cooldown.

Therefore I still think Scoundrel/Operative meets the criteria of the OP better than the other two, and that's just by analyzing the raid buff and the off heal-set bonus interactions. I have no idea who's leading the parsing leaderboards right now between TK, Ruffian, and the commando classes.
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10.19.2020 , 11:58 AM | #7
The Smuggler can use the Kolto Bombardment tactical to do some healing from XS Freighter Flyby. 🤩
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10.21.2020 , 12:11 PM | #8
Concealment seems the most useful yet hardest class to play.

/sigh

*edited to make sense
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