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Why is the Old Republic better than anything Disney has produced?

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Why is the Old Republic better than anything Disney has produced?

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DarthDymond
01.26.2019 , 11:17 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Yeldah_ View Post
Probably because Disney is focused on the final outcome($$$) and not the product that makes it. George Lucas made Star Wars because he wanted to, not just to get rich. Wealth was just a side benefit of his creation. Disney is the other way around; they focus on the wealth and largely ignore what they are producing. At least that is what is looks like from here.
Gotta disagree with you there. Disney has put in a ton more thought and care into making quality Star Wars products than Lucas did from RotJ onward (certainly worlds better than the prequels). He created a wonderful universe, but it was a merchandising cash-cow from very early on.
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02.09.2019 , 11:49 PM | #12
While this is merely a subjective point of view. The reason why The Old Republic is better than the current Disney Star Wars is because it actually gives us new and original ideas not yet explored in the saga.
The MAIN THING I hope Disney will do is move on from nostalgia. Move on from the Original Trilogy references. Move on from Empire vs. Rebels. Star Wars is not all about that and to think it is... is only limiting its potential.

The Old Republic with its eight classes have proven that the galaxy is filled with a plethora of colorful stories and it doesn't have to be just about an evil galactic empire against a small band of underdogs. If Disney does explore new territory and even introduce The Old Republic era in canon, that may rejuvenate interest in the saga and reel back all the fans they lost after The Last Jedi.

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Folaan
02.13.2019 , 09:46 AM | #13
Not necessarily better, but it caters more to a different type of worldview than those espoused in Disney's.
The Disney management of Star Wars - as far as the movies are concerned - caters to an ADHD mindset. What I mean by that is that it is focused on small segments which make sense in the few seconds you watch them and you're promptly assaulted by another segment that does not necessarily have any continuity with the previous ones. Right after you watch it and your brain engages in questioning the absurdity of it (like Rey never having trained once in her life with a lightsaber or the force and is somehow able to withstand one who trained with Luke Skywalker himself), you're presented with another scene that is just as absurd, but your brain is not given any respite to properly assess the idiocy of it all. Only later, after you watched this nonsense for an hour and a half, you can sum it up as absolute garbage. It's a series of unconnected "oh shiny!" scenes. Take TLJ for example: aside from the political agenda that is there whether we want it or not, that movie is a primer on how NOT to make anything that remotely resembles a good product. No continuity. No cohesion between one scene and the next. No verossimilitude. Complete disrespect for good technique. The writing was abysmal. I could go on and on but it was simply a technically deficient product without any redeeming qualities. The biggest failures are the scripts themselves - SW became a platform to advance ideology, not a canvas in which great moral questions are raised and, for good or ill, resolved.

The Old Republic, on the other hand, is the opposite. In that canvas big, moral questions are posed and resolved. They have far more latitude to be politically incorrect, for example: take the scoundrel / gunslinger storyline. Or the Imperial Agent one. These stories have the right mix of humor, intrigue, suspense, etc. Then again, I'm talking about the old SWTOR. These days the lore has been absent, good writing is gone, and they've been steadily pushed towards "political correctivism" by the players themselves - remember the outrage about the server names when there was the big merge not so long ago? And while I prefer TOR personally for what was made with it in the past, I don't have high hopes for its future.

In the end, Disney is terrible for SW for the most part, and the old republic - the game as well as the era itself - will be steadily destroyed to incorporate the same collectivist mindset that destroys all that is interesting, unique and worthwhile.

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02.13.2019 , 09:54 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by ApollosNight View Post
Seriously: why?
Because the stories from Legends are just more interesting and fun to see/ hear/ play than the things they've done.
Canon is not bad, don't think that I might have this opinion, but there are so many good stories and things in Legends which could be much more entertaining for Star Wars fans.
Tbh, even though it was not made by Disney, the only thing I do really like about Canon are the Clone Troopers. There are so many of them and they all have such interesting stories and personal qualities, as even though they are all "the same", they are just so different. That's one of the things I like the most, not only in Star Wars, but in other things as well.

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Rebamcfan
02.14.2019 , 01:53 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Folaan View Post
Not necessarily better, but it caters more to a different type of worldview than those espoused in Disney's.
Quote: Originally Posted by Folaan View Post
The Disney management of Star Wars - as far as the movies are concerned - caters to an ADHD mindset. What I mean by that is that it is focused on small segments which make sense in the few seconds you watch them and you're promptly assaulted by another segment that does not necessarily have any continuity with the previous ones. Right after you watch it and your brain engages in questioning the absurdity of it (like Rey never having trained once in her life with a lightsaber or the force and is somehow able to withstand one who trained with Luke Skywalker himself), you're presented with another scene that is just as absurd, but your brain is not given any respite to properly assess the idiocy of it all.
I'm not sure I understand what is absurd with the various scenes within TLJ. The scenes transition smoothly from one to another, following a continuous story that eventually leads to an ending.
Quote: Originally Posted by Folaan View Post
Only later, after you watched this nonsense for an hour and a half, you can sum it up as absolute garbage. It's a series of unconnected "oh shiny!" scenes. Take TLJ for example: aside from the political agenda that is there whether we want it or not, that movie is a primer on how NOT to make anything that remotely resembles a good product. No continuity. No cohesion between one scene and the next. No verossimilitude. Complete disrespect for good technique. The writing was abysmal. I could go on and on but it was simply a technically deficient product without any redeeming qualities. The biggest failures are the scripts themselves - SW became a platform to advance ideology, not a canvas in which great moral questions are raised and, for good or ill, resolved.
Well, Star Wars has always been more or less about promoting tolerance and democracy, more progressives attitudes, so the things we have seen with exhange in ownership aren't really new things.

Quote: Originally Posted by Folaan View Post
The Old Republic, on the other hand, is the opposite. In that canvas big, moral questions are posed and resolved. They have far more latitude to be politically incorrect, for example: take the scoundrel / gunslinger storyline. Or the Imperial Agent one. These stories have the right mix of humor, intrigue, suspense, etc. Then again, I'm talking about the old SWTOR. These days the lore has been absent, good writing is gone, and they've been steadily pushed towards "political correctivism" by the players themselves - remember the outrage about the server names when there was the big merge not so long ago? And while I prefer TOR personally for what was made with it in the past, I don't have high hopes for its future.

In the end, Disney is terrible for SW for the most part, and the old republic - the game as well as the era itself - will be steadily destroyed to incorporate the same collectivist mindset that destroys all that is interesting, unique and worthwhile.
I would argue that they have been bringing up new things that are in turn bringing lots of new people to world of Star Wars, introducing them to this vast and wonderful galaxy we all love dearly. I would argue too that they're bringing lots of moral conflict and resolution to their stories, like we see with new Thrawn, Kylo and other creations in Disney-era.
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PyroAmos
Yesterday , 04:08 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by FlameYOL View Post
Because Star Wars has never done social commentary... ever... especially not under Lucas.
Not true, Lucas just did it in a less obvious way that worked to the world he was making, made sense and didn't overshadow the story as a whole... Disney... yeah, that's not what they're doing, lol.

You can see it in TOR as well... it's just done in a more lucas way that makes sense to the universe/game, than the weird stuff disney is doing.

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FlameYOL
Yesterday , 05:01 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by PyroAmos View Post
Not true, Lucas just did it in a less obvious way that worked to the world he was making, made sense and didn't overshadow the story as a whole... Disney... yeah, that's not what they're doing, lol.

You can see it in TOR as well... it's just done in a more lucas way that makes sense to the universe/game, than the weird stuff disney is doing.
That's the joke, and I don't keep up with Canon enough to know how good or bad their social commentary is but at least as far as the movies are concerned I do not think they had a bad concept, just a poorly-done execution.
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PyroAmos
Yesterday , 07:44 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by FlameYOL View Post
That's joke, and I don't keep up with Canon enough to know how good or bad their social commentary is but at least as far as the movies are concerned I do not think they had a bad concept, just a poorly-done execution.
I guess you missed episode 8: the last Jedi. Making hyperspace a weapon fundamentally broke almost everything star wars lore. The galaxy doesn't make any sort of sense in new canon. Inserted for the sole purpose of social commentary of purple hair girl knows best.... contrast to cantina scene in a new hope... 'droids not welcome here, he'll have to wait outside' subtle, doesn't break the movie barely noticeable... but still memorable to me, I think about that scene anytime I'm somewhere and someone is being discriminated against in that fashion, but present especially in it's day, social commentary... new cannon is just girl = win... not nearly as subtle as Leia being one of the first lead female roles that was a fighter, and political leader... modern cannon took subtle political commentary and turned it into obvious lore breaking plot holes to push a political agenda.

Lucas vs Disney is a perfect example of how to subtly push a political agenda and build a world masses will love at the same time vs how to break a world and shove politics down your throat... is the difference between a scene I'll remember, probably 'til I die vs oh god another SJW movie ruining a perfectly good world I've come to love.

SWTOR is a bit more lucas than disney in their pushing narrative. It's there, but, less obvious, and not lore breaking.

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FlameYOL
Today , 08:34 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by PyroAmos View Post
I guess you missed episode 8: the last Jedi. Making hyperspace a weapon fundamentally broke almost everything star wars lore. The galaxy doesn't make any sort of sense in new canon. Inserted for the sole purpose of social commentary of purple hair girl knows best.... contrast to cantina scene in a new hope... 'droids not welcome here, he'll have to wait outside' subtle, doesn't break the movie barely noticeable... but still memorable to me, I think about that scene anytime I'm somewhere and someone is being discriminated against in that fashion, but present especially in it's day, social commentary... new cannon is just girl = win... not nearly as subtle as Leia being one of the first lead female roles that was a fighter, and political leader... modern cannon took subtle political commentary and turned it into obvious lore breaking plot holes to push a political agenda.

Lucas vs Disney is a perfect example of how to subtly push a political agenda and build a world masses will love at the same time vs how to break a world and shove politics down your throat... is the difference between a scene I'll remember, probably 'til I die vs oh god another SJW movie ruining a perfectly good world I've come to love.

SWTOR is a bit more lucas than disney in their pushing narrative. It's there, but, less obvious, and not lore breaking.
You're twisting my words here, I don't think a character like Holdo is a bad concept, however her character was poorly executed. Bad concept=/=bad execution, a proper writer could've done a strong leader that was worthy of being Leia's sucessor.
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PyroAmos
Today , 10:46 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by FlameYOL View Post
You're twisting my words here, I don't think a character like Holdo is a bad concept, however her character was poorly executed. Bad concept=/=bad execution, a proper writer could've done a strong leader that was worthy of being Leia's sucessor.
Wont get an argument from me there, lol. Why they swapped directors in the middle of the new trilogy and threw out the original script for Ep8 is beyond me. Going to be interesting to see what JJ can salvage from it for Ep9. Honestly be better if they just threw out TLJ, pretended that film never happened and let JJ do the proper Ep8/9 that was planned. So many compounding bad decisions by Disney.