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Best DG relic for Carnage --anyone have data or a link to data that proves it?

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Best DG relic for Carnage --anyone have data or a link to data that proves it?

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TradeLA
01.20.2013 , 09:28 PM | #1
Best I can find is this thread:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5579023

Which theorizes that DG relic of Elemental Transcendence or Relic of the Cerulean Nova would be better depending on whether the Gore debuff puts Carnage in the armor penetration class or not, and this:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5588728

Which suggests that for annihilation at least, Elemental Transcendence is best, but the numbers are so close, the only one that is really sub-par is Kinetic Tempest. Not sure if that would hold for Carnage or not.

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IAmViiOLENT
01.21.2013 , 03:53 PM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by TradeLA View Post
Best I can find is this thread:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5579023

Which theorizes that DG relic of Elemental Transcendence or Relic of the Cerulean Nova would be better depending on whether the Gore debuff puts Carnage in the armor penetration class or not, and this:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5588728

Which suggests that for annihilation at least, Elemental Transcendence is best, but the numbers are so close, the only one that is really sub-par is Kinetic Tempest. Not sure if that would hold for Carnage or not.
Looking at average damage on a normal parse for energy relic in Carnage, I have 303. This was just a quicky parse and the math is that if even one of the hits is during a gore window per minute, its better

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Nanok
01.27.2013 , 12:13 AM | #3
I've actually done the math on this but not on my home pc atm.
Basicly it comes down to this:

To even consider the energy relic as better u need to asume youuse gore on cooldown. That makes 4 gores per minute.
4.5 sec window for a proc.

For the energy one to be better than the elemental one you need 2 procs /min to be inside gore. That has a really low chanse of happening even with 4 gores per minute.

Considering that to actually have a good rotation u always wait with gore for other cooldowns it's allmost 100% chance u wont get 4 gores per minute wich diminishes the chances of getting 2procs inside the gore window even less.

U should use the elemental one.period . :-)

Edited some spelling
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IAmViiOLENT
01.27.2013 , 03:43 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Nanok View Post
I've actually done the math on this but not on my home pc atm.
Basicly it comes down to this:

To even consider the energy relic as better u need to asume youuse gore on cooldown. That makes 4 gores per minute.
4.5 sec window for a proc.

For the energy one to be better than the elemental one you need 2 procs /min to be inside gore. That has a really low chanse of happening even with 4 gores per minute.

Considering that to actually have a good rotation u always wait with gore for other cooldowns it's allmost 100% chance u wont get 4 gores per minute wich diminishes the chances of getting 2procs inside the gore window even less.

U should use the elemental one.period . :-)

Edited some spelling

You never ever wait for gore to align with other cooldowns, if you're doing a good rotation you will always use gore the second its off cooldown and use either ravage+FS or FS+Massx3.

Which amounts to 4.5 GPM.

So yes, Carnage BiS = Cerulean Nova Proc Relic.

Here's an older parse of mine using that relic at 2145 dps.
http://www.torparse.com/a/98355/time...0/Damage+Dealt

As you can see, 279.67 average hit, with 40% crit rate. For an elemental relic to reach that, it needs to have quite a few more % of crit rate.

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Nanok
01.27.2013 , 11:54 PM | #5
Hmm crit may be the thing i didnt factor in. When i was talking about waiting i was refering to... for example waiting on global cd to pop ravage +scream or stuff like that. I didnt mean u wait 5 sec with gore off cd.. allthough in raid situations u may actually want to wait on battering assault to make sure u can 3xmasacre plus scream...

Is your askmrrobot profile updted ? I wanna model it based on your stats and see if the results differ.
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