I just curious what people think on this

me personaly would say sith is brought up with darkside thus has control over it

while a fallen jedi scumbs is more prone to exsess as s/he is suddenly imersed in the dark side

any opion`s?

what is the diffrence between a sith and a fallen jedi

A Sith is a Sith and a fallen Jedi is a fallen Jedi. There's your difference.

Dark Jedi=All Dark Siders, including Sith.

Sith=An organization of Dark Siders, they have their unique philosophy and ideology.

Only those Dark Siders who accept the philosophy and ideology of the Sith and usually(not always) got accepted by the Order, can be called as a Sith.

Just like the Jedi, you don't become a Jedi simply by using the Force, you have to be accepted by the Order and follow the Jedi Code to be one.

Dark Jedi=All Dark Siders, including Sith.

Sith=An organization of Dark Siders, they have their unique philosophy and ideology.

Only those Dark Siders who accept the philosophy and ideology of the Sith and usually(not always) got accepted by the Order, can be called as a Sith.

Not quite:

Dark Jedi/Fallen Jedi= Jedi who have turned to the darkside.

Sith= initially a race of Darksiders, later an organisation/order who follow the philosophy of the original sith, mostly humans.

Darksiders= Force users who use the darkside, not necessarily aligned with any order/organisation/philosophy.

Not quite:

Dark Jedi/Fallen Jedi= Jedi who have turned to the darkside.

Sith= initially a race of Darksiders, later an organisation/order who follow the philosophy of the original sith, mostly humans.

Darksiders= Force users who use the darkside, not necessarily aligned with any order/organisation/philosophy.

Dark Jedi=All Dark Siders, no matter they once were Jedi or not.

Dark Jedi=All Dark Siders, no matter they once were Jedi or not.

No, you've missed the point, to be Dark Jedi you have to be a member/former member of the Jedi order, this is part of the star wars canon. Dark jedi have the benefits of techniques from both sides of the force, making them much more dangerous than other darksiders.

Some times non-force users describe Darksiders as Dark Jedi, this is akin to describing someone with a gun as a soldier, understandable but not something a professional would do.

No, you've missed the point, to be Dark Jedi you have to be a member/former member of the Jedi order, this is part of the star wars canon. Dark jedi have the benefits of techniques from both sides of the force, making them much more dangerous than other darksiders.

 

Some times non-force users describe Darksiders as Dark Jedi, this is akin to describing someone with a gun as a soldier, understandable but not something a professional would do.

Dark Jedi is what we use to call all Dark Siders, sure most of them are either Sith or former Jedi, but that does not mean they must be a former Jedi.

"A dark Jedi is anyone who practices the dark side of the Force whether or not they were a former Jedi."

―Leland Chee

To clear this up:

"Dark Jedi, also known as "Fallen" Jedi, were Force-sensitives, frequently former Jedi, who chose to deny the light side of the Force and/or follow the dark side. Although "Dark Jedi" originally referred to a Jedi who had fallen to the dark side, it could also refer to uninitiated Force-sensitives who received no Jedi training but began their careers under another Dark Jedi. Others were simply dark-side users who did not follow the teachings of the Sith or other dark side organizations. In some cases, Dark Jedi also included "artificial" Force-sensitives who served the dark side, such as the Reborn and the Shadowtroopers."-(Wookiepiedia)

Edited to add more to quote.

To clear this up:

 

"Dark Jedi, also known as "Fallen" Jedi, were Force-sensitives, frequently former Jedi, who chose to deny the light side of the Force and/or follow the dark side. Although "Dark Jedi" originally referred to a Jedi who had fallen to the dark side, it could also refer to uninitiated Force-sensitives who received no Jedi training but began their careers under another Dark Jedi. Others were simply dark-side users who did not follow the teachings of the Sith or other dark side organizations. In some cases, Dark Jedi also included "artificial" Force-sensitives who served the dark side, such as the Reborn and the Shadowtroopers."-(Wookiepiedia)

 

Edited to add more to quote.

Well, the sith really become what they are in swtor becuase banished jedi land on koriban, so there could be some confusion there. But I think I agree the dark jedi are just fallen jedi, and if you want to be really restrivtive, there are always just the true sith, instead of the order as a whole.

Well, the sith really become what they are in swtor becuase banished jedi land on koriban, so there could be some confusion there. But I think I agree the dark jedi are just fallen jedi, and if you want to be really restrivtive, there are always just the true sith, instead of the order as a whole.

Well...

Darksider and Dark Jedi are pretty much just colloquialisms, so which one you'd use to describe a dark side force user is more a matter of preference than anything.

But the Sith are a specific order of (dark side) force users tracing their history back to the Sith species and the banished Jedi who conquered them:

The Original Sith Empire:

7,000 Years Before the Battle of Yavin (which happened in Star Wars: Ep IV): Ajunta Pall and other banished Jedi enslave the Sith species - 5,000 BBY: Naga Sadow and the Empire are almost completely destroyed in the Great Hyperspace War.

The Lost Tribe of the Sith:

5,000 BBY: A warship of the Original Sith Empire crashes on the planet Kesh, the survivors conquer the planet but are stranded there - 40 Years After the Battle of Yavin: The Tribe regain space-flight and come into conflict with the Jedi.

The SW:TOR Sith Empire:

5,000 BBY: The Sith Emperor brings survivors of the Original Sith Empire to Dromund Kaas and begins rebuilding - ??? SW:TOR takes place about 3,640 BBY

The Brotherhood of the Sith:

4,000 BBY: Fallen Jedi Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma become corrupted by Sith teachings and spirits and form an army of cultists, fallen Jedi and Mandalorians but are soon defeated/destroyed in the Great Sith War.

Revan and Malak's Sith Empire/Sith Triumvirate:

3,960 BBY: Jedi Revan and Malak are corrupted by the Mandalorian War and an encounter with the Sith Emperor and break away from the Republic, creating a new Sith Empire that goes to war with the Republic (The Jedi Civil War) - 3,955 BBY: The Empire is defeated in the Jedi Civil War, the last remnants of it are defeated in the Dark Wars (3,950 BBY).

New Sith Empire/Several Sith Warlords/Kingdoms/Cults:

Around 2,000 BBY: A fallen Jedi takes the name Darth Ruin and forms a new Sith Empire, after his death several fractured Sith kingdoms remain, fighting amongst themselves as well as the Republic/Jedi throughout the Republic Dark Ages - 1,010 BBY: The surviving Sith groups are reunited as the Brotherhood of Darkness.

The Brotherhood of Darkness:

1,010 BBY: Lord Kaan reunites or conquers the surviving Sith groups - 1,000 BBY: The Brotherhood is destroyed at the end of the Light and Darkness War, mainly due to the betrayal of Darth Bane.

The Order of the Sith Lords:

1,000 BBY: Darth Bane betrays the Brotherhood of Darkness and forms the Rule of Two: One Master, One Apprentice, allowing the Sith to survive in secret until Palpatine/Darth Sidious forms the Galactic Empire - 40 ABY: The last(?) Master/Apprentice pair of Sith Lords are defeated by the Jedi.

The One Sith:

Sometime between 4 ABY and 30 ABY: A fallen Jedi, corrupted in part by a renegade member of the Order of the Sith Lords, takes the name Darth Krayt and forms a new Sith order not limited to two members - 140 ABY: After conquering most of the galaxy between 120-130 ABY, the Sith are defeated at the end of the Second Imperial Civil War and the remaining members go underground to bide their time and recover.

Well...

according to HK-47, in the Foundry, 98% of all those in the Empire have some Sith racial genetic material. So by those standards just about everyone in the Sith Empire is a "True Sith"

But those that are true sith look down upo those that are mostly human. and there are those that join, making up more than 2 percent. and since when has hk known everything? lol

I was under the impression Sith ideologies and concepts were more akin to a culture or way of life used by the sith species that became more mainstream after they emerged from Korriban.

Dark Jedi are people with Jedi teachings who use the dark side of the Force instead of the light.

And I use dark sider to refer too anyone not connected too Sith or Jedi that uses the dark side.

Just my 2$

As far as I am aware the sith were a race of beings native to Korriban who utilised the dark side of the force. This can be seen as something akin to the night sisters of dathomir, kind of raw and tribal, kinda like a philosophical school of thought within a practice of dark side ritual/sorcery.

Traditionally they did not use lightsabers, In the cannon Jedi too, we're a race with the first true Jedi being a called skywalker. Dark Jedi are just as the name states. To be a Jedi you must first be inducted into the Jedi philosophy, then fall to the dark side eg fallen Jedi eg Vader, Exar Kun, Revan, Caedus, Count Dooku. A sith never was a Jedi, eg Naga Sadow, Marka Ragnos, Darth Maul, Sidious.

Modern Sith are a kind of perversion of the historical sith, kind of the love children of fallen Jedi and the historical sith philosophy of darkside sorcery. Note there is also a distinction between dark Jedi and fallen Jedi, grey or twighlight Jedi. Consider these the chaotic neutral, lawful neutral and neutral Jedi for lack of a better discription.

Dark Jedi/Fallen Jedi= Jedi who have turned to the darkside.

Sith= initially a race of Darksiders, later an organisation/order who follow the philosophy of the original sith, mostly humans.

Darksiders= Force users who use the darkside, not necessarily aligned with any order/organisation/philosophy.

This.

Would also like to add that the situation is the same as the mandalorians.

The original species died out,but their religion,philosophy and ideology lived on,and its members call themselves sith , mandalorians

Sith are not "Dark Jedi".

Sith follow a particular Code, while Jedi follow a different Code.

Dark Jedi are Jedi who have stopped following their Code.

I'm not sure there is an equivalent for the Sith. The Sith code is so selfish and individualistic that any behavior can be justified by it, even light side behaviour.

- Arcada

Sith are not "Dark Jedi".

 

Sith follow a particular Code, while Jedi follow a different Code.

 

Dark Jedi are Jedi who have stopped following their Code.

 

I'm not sure there is an equivalent for the Sith. The Sith code is so selfish and individualistic that any behavior can be justified by it, even light side behaviour.

 

- Arcada

All Dark Siders are Dark Jedi, that include the Sith.

I just curious what people think on this

me personaly would say sith is brought up with darkside thus has control over it

while a fallen jedi scumbs is more prone to exsess as s/he is suddenly imersed in the dark side

any opion`s?

well there are a couple of ways to answer this.

First, and most obvious for people playing this game is that the Sith, unlike the Jedi, are a Race of people native to the planet Korriban. The Sith have an inherent attunement to the Dark Side of the Force as a racial trait. Their social structure is largely what paved the way to the creation of the order that would later share the same name as their race.

The Jedi on the other hand are derived from a Monastic Order that traces it's origin to Je'daii Order of Tython (Jedi being simply a shortening of the name of that original order). The Tythonian Order was dedicated to pioneering the development of Force Understanding. Though this occurred centuries before the discovery of the Sith Homeworld by the majority of the rest of the Galaxy.

So really the difference between a Sith and a Fallen Jedi amounts to whether one has been initiated into the Jedi Order, and whether one has also been initiated into the Sith Order. In the case of Dark Jedi such as Count Dooku, and Anakin Skywalker, the answer would be "There is no difference between a Fallen Jedi and a Sith." But in the case of a Sith such as Emperor Palpatine, the answer is "He was never a Jedi to begin with, so he wouldn't qualify as a Fallen Jedi."

All Dark Siders are Dark Jedi, that include the Sith.

If you actually read the other posts you might see why that argument is clearly not winning.

If you actually read the other posts you might see why that argument is clearly not winning.

popular and correct are two different things.

"We avoid [Dark Jedi] when we can. Dark Jedi definition still refers to any dark side user."

―Leland Chee

"A dark Jedi is anyone who practices the dark side of the Force whether or not they were a former Jedi."

―Leland Chee

All Dark Siders are Dark Jedi, that include the Sith.

Not exactly. The first fallen jedi. Where exiled from the order and from republic space because they were using the dark side waging wars against the jedi and the republic and comiting atrocities.

These exiled dark jedi led by adjunta pall. Found korriban and establish them selfs has lord of the sith. ( the sith species that lived there wich already had an afinity to the dark side they enslaved them.

This dark jedi changed the sith species by sorcery and genetic manipulation in order for them to bread with humans. they aimed to create a being who were naturaly strong and in league with the darkside. While the massassi original sith served as warriors.

And thats how the sith pureblood we see in game in this era came to being.

The term Sith first referred to the species and then later referred to what people see now as sith.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_(species)

Dark Jedi was a term referred to as a Fallen Jedi who turned from the light.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Jedi

If you actually read the other posts you might see why that argument is clearly not winning.

That's been clearly stated by Leland Chee.