easeyway Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) Myself i like watching others gameplay, for hints/tips and i think it's fun:) i'd like too see more people start streaming while they play, so i posted this. please comment if someone has anything too add or have questions:) i'm sure theres people here that knows plenty and can help How to use: <-- recommended "HD" video is by definition any feed with a greater resolution than SD video, which is 720x480 widescreen (640x480 with a 4:3 ratio). This means you could be talking about 1080i, 720p, 1080p, or some other variant. Then there's the issue of encoding. Compression has more bearing on data rate than resolution. For instance, DVD-quality data rates typically range between 3Mbit/s to 10Mbit/s, and that's only for 480p video. However, full 1080p encoded video can technically fit into a smaller data rate. For a real-world example, Hulu's 720p video streams at about 2.5MBit/s. (ref: HowStuffWorks). According to this blog, high quality videos on YouTube are approximately 3.0Mbit/s to 3.5Mbit/s. Let's assume 3.0Mbit/s for simplicity. Multiplied by 1000 users gives you about 3Gbit/s of necessary bandwidth, plus overhead. Over the span of 24 hours, that's around 32 terabytes of data. Having a fiber-optic connection also doesn't give us enough information about the available bandwidth of the connection. This will be limited by the on-site hardware and the provider themselves. You would need to find out the capabilities of both to determine how many bits per second the system is capable of. My guess is they will want to look into a hosting solution, as they have the infrastructure and internet backbone tie-ins to regularly handle this. Here's an article discussing streaming to give you some ideas about streaming. re-posted Edited February 1, 2013 by easeyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masarko Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 If youre using xsplit youll have to pay for better than 720p However my stream is in the sig if anyone is interested in normals / ranked on 2/3 BiS Focus Sent or a Jugg tanks POV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easeyway Posted February 1, 2013 Author Share Posted February 1, 2013 If youre using xsplit youll have to pay for better than 720p However my stream is in the sig if anyone is interested in normals / ranked on 2/3 BiS Focus Sent or a Jugg tanks POV i have used xsplit myself, and im beginning to understand that i shouldn't Zeas and another mate of mine has been talking about using "open broadcaster". you should take a look at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masarko Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 i have used xsplit myself, and im beginning to understand that i shouldn't Zeas and another mate of mine has been talking about using "open broadcaster". you should take a look at it Figured, after looking at my own recordings, that its not really clear unless you stand still.. I will do some research when I get home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerilas Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I don't have time atm to read everything because I'm quickly packing before i go on a 10day snowboarding trip. But a quick question, is this guid WITH xsplit or without? I tried with and i had too many problems with it. I would love to stream my games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthSeraph Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Thanks for this. I have tried to stream using Xsplit myself and found it not very good. So will be giving Open Broadcaster a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easeyway Posted February 1, 2013 Author Share Posted February 1, 2013 I don't have time atm to read everything because I'm quickly packing before i go on a 10day snowboarding trip. But a quick question, is this guid WITH xsplit or without? I tried with and i had too many problems with it. I would love to stream my games. this isn't a guide on how to set up your streaming software. this is more info you'd want if you are thinking about doing it it's great that ur thinking about streaming! Heres a a couple of guides on how to set up your software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelegor Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I was thinking of having a machine dedicated to streaming whatever i am doing in my main computer. That would be the best way to have a decent stream, in my opinion. Any suggestions ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easeyway Posted February 1, 2013 Author Share Posted February 1, 2013 I was thinking of having a machine dedicated to streaming whatever i am doing in my main computer. That would be the best way to have a decent stream, in my opinion. Any suggestions ? hi there, thanks for posting ehm not sure what you specificly want suggestions on but i'll try As long as your main computer is good, that shouldn't really be needed. if you are thinking about buying a second comp i would rather put the money into a new cpu&gpu and maybe some ram. as long as those are heavy it all comes down too your internet. i've been told and i've read that 5 up is good, but i've also heard some with only 1 up. (sounds weird but idk) i recommend a minimum of 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonsaikitten Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Great viddya you linked! Will be streaming softcore easykills on twitch.tv/impossibruw all night yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easeyway Posted February 1, 2013 Author Share Posted February 1, 2013 Great viddya you linked! Will be streaming softcore easykills on twitch.tv/impossibruw all night yo. the way easyway kills? ment that<-- glad you liked the vids! i'll be checkin in on your stream, better watch out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 hi there, thanks for posting ehm not sure what you specificly want suggestions on but i'll try As long as your main computer is good, that shouldn't really be needed. if you are thinking about buying a second comp i would rather put the money into a new cpu&gpu and maybe some ram. as long as those are heavy it all comes down too your internet. i've been told and i've read that 5 up is good, but i've also heard some with only 1 up. (sounds weird but idk) i recommend a minimum of 3 The thing is that you can't just mash any cpu on any motherboard. Same for gpu, although that is less complicated. My stream will be LQ for now. Atleast untill i get better upload speed. Such a shame presets basically don't do fk all. You'd think quad core i5 Ivy bridge overclocked to 4400MHz could support heavy compression. NOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easeyway Posted February 2, 2013 Author Share Posted February 2, 2013 The thing is that you can't just mash any cpu on any motherboard. Same for gpu, although that is less complicated. My stream will be LQ for now. Atleast untill i get better upload speed. Such a shame presets basically don't do fk all. You'd think quad core i5 Ivy bridge overclocked to 4400MHz could support heavy compression. NOT. well if the socket you want don't match, buy a new comp for gods sake, np for a man in your position i would think:D really evo? that cpu should handle it, i'm sure!? didnt find anything that helped in the info? :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritch_A Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 I currently stream our 8 mans on Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday 7:30pm - 11:00pm GMT. We are currently doing progress raids on Kephess EC NiM. Tuesday is fun day (TFB HM) but Thurs/Sunday are wipe nights. http://www.twitch.tv/RitchEz0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelegor Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 I dont get it. You say that you would need 2,5mbs for a decent stream per user? That is what u said on first post. I thought you would send to twitch and they would do the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 well if the socket you want don't match, buy a new comp for gods sake, np for a man in your position i would think:D really evo? that cpu should handle it, i'm sure!? didnt find anything that helped in the info? :/ There isn't much new people can tell me about streaming or computers really I've pretty much tried everything but a better upload speed by now. I really don't understand why my CPU can't just compress enough to allow HD through a 1mb line :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harva Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 (edited) If you were indeed able to stream 720p with a 1mb upload (as Zeaz claimed), which I find unlikely, this is what I imagine you would have to use: - Open Broadcaster Software (considerably less demanding than xsplit, allowing you to push your cpu for more quality). Also recommend using Game Capture as your source. - A very low x264 CPU Preset in Advanced tab, so low it would kill my cpu (lower is better quality at the cost of more CPU usage) - Maximum Network Send Buffer size in Advanced tab (should allow you to push your bitrate to almost the maximum of your upload. Use http://www.speedtest.net/ to determine your maximum upload) - Most likely a low Quality Balance setting in Encoding to prevent blurry picture while moving - Possibly lower audio quality Could also help to be located near a Twitch.tv server (EU servers in London, Frankfurt, Amsterdam). You may use JTVPing to determine the best server for you to use: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=326034 (in OBS change FMS URL in Broadcast Settings to change your server) Edited February 2, 2013 by Harva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 - A very low x264 CPU Preset in Advanced tab, so low it would kill my cpu (lower is better quality at the cost of more CPU usage) Tried it with both OBS and Xsplit and neither times it really made a difference. Seeing the CPU i have and the speed it runs at i wonder if it really works for anyone at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easeyway Posted February 2, 2013 Author Share Posted February 2, 2013 If you were indeed able to stream 720p with a 1mb upload (as Zeaz claimed), which I find unlikely, this is what I imagine you would have to use: - Open Broadcaster Software (considerably less demanding than xsplit, allowing you to push your cpu for more quality). Also recommend using Game Capture as your source. - A very low x264 CPU Preset in Advanced tab, so low it would kill my cpu (lower is better quality at the cost of more CPU usage) - Maximum Network Send Buffer size in Advanced tab (should allow you to push your bitrate to almost the maximum of your upload. Use http://www.speedtest.net/ to determine your maximum upload) - Most likely a low Quality Balance setting in Encoding to prevent blurry picture while moving - Possibly lower audio quality Could also help to be located near a Twitch.tv server (EU servers in London, Frankfurt, Amsterdam). You may use JTVPing to determine the best server for you to use: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=326034 (in OBS change FMS URL in Broadcast Settings to change your server) Thanks for the good post. well as we've figured, go buy more up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masarko Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 Tried out Openbroadcaster, streamed for a good hour results: http://www.twitch.tv/imimba_swtor/b/363235909 No bad experience so far with this, loving it. stable fps ingame and on stream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easeyway Posted February 2, 2013 Author Share Posted February 2, 2013 Tried out Openbroadcaster, streamed for a good hour results: http://www.twitch.tv/imimba_swtor/b/363235909 No bad experience so far with this, loving it. stable fps ingame and on stream Thanks for the feed back! how did ur cpu do in OB compared to in Xsplit if you know? did you notice a difference in-game? im at work with bad internet so cant see streams :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masarko Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 Thanks for the feed back! how did ur cpu do in OB compared to in Xsplit if you know? did you notice a difference in-game? im at work with bad internet so cant see streams :/ I think i lost like 5 FPS with OB compared to XSplit, but with those results I say its worth it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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