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Anyone ever PUG Operations?


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wainot-keel
02.22.2015 , 09:52 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Kyovarde View Post
I pug Ravagers at least 2-3x per week and ToS once. Who are these people saying that these OPs are not puggable or that they are overly difficult? Are you really that terrible at this game?
The few times I tried to pug them, it was a complete and epic mess after boss 1 on either operation and groups fell apart after a couple of wipes. After that, I only do them with my guild. That's my advice. /shrug

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Jojomagro
02.23.2015 , 12:55 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Kyovarde View Post
I pug Ravagers at least 2-3x per week and ToS once. Who are these people saying that these OPs are not puggable or that they are overly difficult? Are you really that terrible at this game?
Same here, but we use a custom chat channel that those vouched for can only access, so not truly a pug in this sense.

And as far as "guilding up and finding a raid team" you can think of it like a job. You don't immediately become CEO, you slog through the SM all-star & FP kings guilds and make connections to get into better and better guilds. Plop an alt into a higher level guild and hop in when they're forming for runs and let the raid lead know you're down to fill in if needed.

When you find a comfortable spot on the way, stop climbing and enjoy the game with those folks.

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Shwarzchild
02.24.2015 , 08:15 AM | #13
I think the real problem is with the group finder. It's unbelievably limiting. I'm sure more people would think of pugging if they could Que for hard mode, story mode, ev, kp, ec, df, dp, 8 man 16 man etc. The fact that someone needs to sit on the fleet and watch general chat for a pug group is a terrible use of time, and I don't blame people for not wanting to deal with the hassle.

I've had varying degrees of success with pug groups. Typically flashpoints go off without a hitch (minus Imos who I might clear 40 percent of the time with a pug group which might even be on the high side). I've successfully pugged hard mode dread palace. But really, pugging an op is time consuming especially if it's hard mode.

I don't think a lot of pug eligible players' attitudes will change regarding time spent towards clearing an entire op, but at least the group finder could use some improvements to at least provide a foundation for people to group for operations.

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AlrikFassbauer
02.24.2015 , 01:23 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Shwarzchild View Post
I think the real problem is with the group finder. It's unbelievably limiting.
I agree to 200 %. No, Rather 300 %.

That thing needs an 200 % , no, 300 % overhaul !
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Shwarzchild
02.25.2015 , 11:57 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by AlrikFassbauer View Post
I agree to 200 %. No, Rather 300 %.

That thing needs an 200 % , no, 300 % overhaul !
Ha. It really bothers me that the group finder is what it is today. I remember when we didn't have a group finder (and walked to school in our bare feet for 10 miles...in the snow...dodging horse drawn carriages) and we finally got a group finder. It seemed great at that time. Back then it was far less limiting than now. To only be able to use group finder for certain ops, and only in 16 man is just a huge mistake to me. I understand that they want to open the gate for more participation, but man it's just crazy that their final idea was to make it so inflexible.

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Papazmurf
02.25.2015 , 12:34 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by power-alex View Post
I realize that this is a unique story. But here's how you can do it by yourself (how I did on the imp side). I leveled a few toons and I was doing flashpoints and pvping and whenever I met people with skill I would start talking to them and ask whether their guild needed people, would they like to recruit me. Several turned me down. Several guilds turned out to be dead guilds. Until I finally got in a big active guild. I actually impressed one of the members in pvp, asked about recruitment and they directed me to guild master, who invited me. Inside the guild at first I was just asking for groups for flashpoints and pvp and sometimes joined their ops runs when they needed someone to fill in, thus making acquaintances and growing my connections. Until finally several month later I became a part of a permanent progression raid group.
I don't think your story is as unique as you think. You mentioned that you had total crap gear, but the tank thought you were killing it. There is a level of skill to this game that will outweigh gear to an extent. I'm notorious for doing OPS under geared or without augments (at least starting out until I get them) but I've always got through the content with whatever garbage gear I brought. If you're good you are good. People would rather have an under geared (again to an extent) tank or healer that knows what they are doing than an over geared guy that can't pay attention.

People always want a good healer or tank. If you're pulling the numbers you need without top gear, EVEN BETTER.
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RocketWoofus
02.25.2015 , 03:10 PM | #17
I agree with the core of what is being said here, learning new ops works best in a guild group, especially when you are a new tank, as tanking is the most critical role mechanics-wise. Having a mentor-minded main tank makes life much easier, especially if you can be in voice to hear the calls for tank swaps.
Having said that, I have pugged Ravagers and ToS successfully several times, but as ranged DPS, where the main mechanic is don't stand in colored circles. I run a raid group in guild, but I also pug on alts, partially for the gear, and partially to see how other folks do things. The good tactics I take back to my team. I run on Harb and find the best pugging times are Tues-Wed evenings when the main raid groups are pugging to fill holes in their raid line-ups or on Sun-Mon evenings for folks who were gone over the weekend and are willing to try almost anything to get a few comms and a chance at set piece gear. I will grant you, there are far fewer pugs than in the past, and the level 60 ops are not very newbie friendly.
Your best option is to read up on the missions, watch videos, get your gear up to at least 186 standards (especially the weapon hilt/barrel, and for a tank, the chest/head/legs armor slots). Similarly, a tank survives on armor and health, so having as many augs as you can, really helps you be survivable. When the tanks die, the raid typically wipes. And can someone explain to me why so many dps pugs have great looking outfits with 192/198s and a sub 186 mainhand?
When someone calls in general chat for 1 tank, jump on it, but when they ask for 2, be sure to bring lots of credits for clones, and repairs. Cloning and Kolto are the staples for pugs.

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October
02.25.2015 , 03:29 PM | #18
I often lead pug groups for 16m Rav or ToS when I'm not doing progression. I just like to clear things and get comms I don't use and gear I probably won't need, but it's all I'm interested in at the moment.

I always make sure to provide my guild's mumble server for tanks and for those who haven't been there, and I try to explain all mechanics per class and multiple different methods things can be used so they'll work more efficiently in future pug groups.

What server are you on?

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Kacynski
02.26.2015 , 02:32 AM | #19
On my server I almost never see a PuG for ToS, this seems to be done with raid groups exclusively. Since 2 weeks or so I see anouncements for Ravager groups regularly (both groups looking for the last spot to be filled, and guys starting a fresh group).
This seems to indicate that Sword Squadroon and Underlurker are still cockblocks for PuG's.

As for myself I'm only doing the new ops with folks I know (either with my guild or FL people). I'm not going to PuG them, it's not worth the time, imho, if it is not a guild group filling the last spot.

I think for Ravagers we will see successful PuG runs (without a core guild team) regularly soon though, but to be honest I don't see this happening for ToS.

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BlueShiftRecall
02.26.2015 , 02:36 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by October View Post
I often lead pug groups for 16m Rav or ToS when I'm not doing progression. I just like to clear things and get comms I don't use and gear I probably won't need, but it's all I'm interested in at the moment.

I always make sure to provide my guild's mumble server for tanks and for those who haven't been there, and I try to explain all mechanics per class and multiple different methods things can be used so they'll work more efficiently in future pug groups.
Kudos to you. Nice to see some experienced people helping out other players instead of just vilifying them. Out of curiosity what is the completion rate of these pug groups you organize? As in do you always get the entire op done?