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Mouseover Healing


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revial
12.15.2011 , 09:27 PM | #111
Quote: Originally Posted by kaelesto View Post
Ah, yes, thank you, that's the solution to all my problems. Let me go back in time to when I was in the Navy and stop the 50-pound block of metal from being dropped on my hands, so that maybe I can move all my fingers, and then I'll get right on that.
Maybe they should make the NFL a touch-football league as well. If that sounds harsh, it's not meant to be. I just don't get why people seem to think a choice in entertainment should cater to their specific needs. If it doesn't, there's about a billion other things in life for you to go enjoy.

My brother is borderline autistic. He doesn't ask the World Chess Federation to make chess easier so he can play.

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Jokael
12.15.2011 , 09:53 PM | #112
Quote: Originally Posted by revial View Post
Maybe they should make the NFL a touch-football league as well. If that sounds harsh, it's not meant to be. I just don't get why people seem to think a choice in entertainment should cater to their specific needs. If it doesn't, there's about a billion other things in life for you to go enjoy.

My brother is borderline autistic. He doesn't ask the World Chess Federation to make chess easier so he can play.
Agreed. I have healed alot tougher raid content then anything WoW and it's catering to the lazy could put out for years, without a mouseover heal, healbot, or whatever you slouches want.

If you can not heal utilizing the mechanics in a game as they are, then you are not a good healer, you are more like a pseudo healer, just trying to solidify your raid slot because you most likely can not either DPS or tank.

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Xerker
12.16.2011 , 01:53 AM | #113
Quote: Originally Posted by revial View Post
It's only a basic staple if you're a baddie who has only ever played autoplay WoW's click a button with your eyes closed to heal someone playstyle.

Turn Nameplates on so you can see people's healthbars over their heads, and gain some finger dexterity. One day healing without seventythree crutches will come naturally to you and you'll ask yourself 'how was I ever so lame to think I was playing a game in a system that held your hand in every way possible?'

I've always enjoyed watching some of WoW's Arena tournaments where people are forced to use the vanilla UI. Really shows who can actually play and who's let the game play for them all these years.
You do understand that WoW Arena Tournament players do in fact use mouseover healing with the basic UI right?

Turn name plates on and click nameplates to target people while they are running around? Are you insane??? I do not want to play a giant wack a mole game as a healer while the dps get to run around like idiots mashing buttons.

TORs lack of UI customization is a major failing point atm.

Half of you arguing about how TOR doesn't need mouseover healing obviously have no idea what it is.

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avengine
12.16.2011 , 06:37 AM | #114
I would love to see this implented as wel, it's much much easier and faster to heal like this. I've been a healer in various games and I must say once you went with mouseover healing you dont go back. It really helps you get trough these unexpected OH CRAP moments and not only would this be a benefit to the healers it would be beneficial to everyone else to. It would make runs more smoother, pvp healing faster, and hell even for tanks. For example a mouseover taunt to get that bloody mob of your over eager dps. Or for a dps to cast a fast CC when something goes wrong. In short no reason not to make it happen

Aven.

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ErrantMercenary
12.16.2011 , 07:58 AM | #115
I've given up hope that anyone will see sense when Kaelesto has spelled out as soundly and calmly as anyone could hope why opposition to mouseover healing is foolish.

But I will put it as bluntly as I can:

Yes, clickhealing is how things were done once upon a time, and we would survive without mouseover healing. You might remember NES controllers featured a D-Pad and four buttons, or that you connected to the internet through your phone once too. Are you really itching that badly to play Call of Duty with two buttons on a 28.8k modem?

Yes?

Then have at it. Leave the rest of us alone, there is not sense or good reason that defends not having mouseover healing.
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Yutaa
12.16.2011 , 11:47 AM | #116
Without mouseover - observe situation, select target for heal, move your mouse to target frame, click on target frame, click some keybinding.

With mouseorver - observe situation, select target for heal, move your mouse to target frame, click some keybinding.

The only difference is that useless annoying click.

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kaelesto
12.16.2011 , 12:09 PM | #117
Quote: Originally Posted by revial View Post
Maybe they should make the NFL a touch-football league as well. If that sounds harsh, it's not meant to be. I just don't get why people seem to think a choice in entertainment should cater to their specific needs. If it doesn't, there's about a billion other things in life for you to go enjoy.

My brother is borderline autistic. He doesn't ask the World Chess Federation to make chess easier so he can play.
I didn't realize MMOs were a sport.

It's funny you should mention chess. I have a cousin who plays chess competitively. He's damn good at it. But he has cerebral palsy. He doesn't have the manual dexterity to pick up a chess piece and move it without knocking other pieces over and ruining the game. So in tournament games, he has an assistant - he calls out the move he wants to make, and the assistant moves the piece and records the move on his scoresheet.

Does that "make chess easier"? Technically, I suppose. But no chess player in their right mind would argue that it matters. Chess is a game of the mind, and the board is only a physical representation of it - the real skill being challenged in chess is not in moving the pieces, but in deciding where to move them.

MMOs are, similarly, games of the mind. They're not about pushing buttons. They're about deciding which button to push. There are computer games - FPSs - that are actually in part about pushing buttons, that actually pit opponents against each other in a test of hand-eye coordination and speed. But MMOs aren't like that. They're throttled by the GCD, and the combat mechanics are handled by RNG and stats rather than player aim, in a deliberate effort to remove most of the player's hand-eye coordination and latency from the equation. They're much more like chess than like football. At their core, they're really math games.

And if you want to make a mental game fair, challenging, fun, and engaging, you start by removing unnecessary physical obstacles - especially those that don't affect all players equally.

If you think of that as 'dumbing down the game,' then you're asserting that hand-eye coordination is the key MMO gaming skill. And if you believe that, you're not only probably a bad healer (because you don't understand the real game) - you probably also have terrible hand-eye coordination. You have to be almost as bad as me with my injuries in order to find any challenge whatsoever in MMO combat. You would be awful at a game that actually is about hand-eye coordination. I used to play shooters, and I would have eaten you for breakfast if you played at a level where you thought clicking a mouse on a 1/2-inch-square static box every 1.5 seconds was "skill."

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Macfergusson
12.16.2011 , 03:44 PM | #118
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Quote: Originally Posted by kaelesto View Post
I didn't realize MMOs were a sport.

I have a cousin who plays chess competitively. He's damn good at it. But he has cerebral palsy. He doesn't have the manual dexterity to pick up a chess piece and move it without knocking other pieces over and ruining the game. So in tournament games, he has an assistant - he calls out the move he wants to make, and the assistant moves the piece and records the move on his scoresheet.

But no chess player in their right mind would argue that it matters. Chess is a game of the mind, and the board is only a physical representation of it - the real skill being challenged in chess is not in moving the pieces, but in deciding where to move them.

MMOs are, similarly, games of the mind.
You, sir, just owned the whole thread, imo.
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Cameirus
12.16.2011 , 08:31 PM | #119
Quote: Originally Posted by RealityOnHold View Post
You're right, mouse over casting is incredibly handy and almost essential, and they should add it in the game, not just for healers, an instant cast crowd control spell on mouse over has saved groups countless times.

It won't deter me from rolling a healer once I get in, but I'm sure someone will die because I need to 'readjust' to the old ways.
Esp as warzone raid frames dont show accurate health and right now I have to heal on nameplates.....

God I need mouseovers

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aspectsofwar
12.16.2011 , 09:16 PM | #120
Mouse over healer right here. Can't stand re targeting after every heal cast.

I won't be healing until this becomes available.
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