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Advanced Prototype vs Pyrotech DPS

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Advanced Prototype vs Pyrotech DPS

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JudasFreak
01.21.2013 , 06:14 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by chainsawsamurai View Post
This has been my experience too. I mostly tank (with ST/Pyro so I'm used to watching for Rail Shot procs), but occasionally I'll go along to DPS for a Juggernaut friend of mine.

I've tried both specs, and while Adv Proto has a rotation that is stable enough you could practically be asleep at the wheel, the damage output isn't even close. Pyro does a ridiculous amount of DPS.

At a glance Pyro looks very heavily reliant on RNG, but even with the worst of luck Pyro competes with Adv Proto. With good luck you'll break your tank's Taunt key.

I'm unconvinced that TD is really necessary for the meat of your rotation on bossfights, but it cleans up trash and adds so efficiently I don't think I'd try a build without it (that isn't even mentioning PvP where TD is crown king of Burst Damage). The meat of the Pyro tree does so much more damage than anything in Adv Proto that the trees aren't even close.

Hell, I'd sooner DPS a Hard Mode as ST/Pyro than I would as Adv Proto ever again. When the Pyro slot machine pays out, it pays out that much. The only reason I would ever spec Adv Proto ever again is if I was diagnosed with horrible motion sickness and needed to PvP without Jet Charge; the 20% damage reduction while stunned is the only thing going for Adv Proto in any environment over the other two specs and hybrids thereof.
such an idiot reply.. how can you compete their dps by looking the endpvp total damage numbers?!?!? Dude, pyro tech has dots' that means, you can damage neraly every enemy you see in the blink of an eye. you dont even have to chase them, 2 shots, then you have you CGC dot on the target. so simple.

on the other end AP depends on single target burst damage. dot damages are always higher than sustained and burst damages. its same in lethality vs markman or annhi vs other specced marauders.

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yoomazir
01.21.2013 , 09:27 PM | #42
Moxparse doesn't lie, Pyro all the way, baby.

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steave
01.21.2013 , 09:42 PM | #43
nice necro, this thread is over a year old /o\

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Talonwk
01.22.2013 , 06:48 PM | #44
I have not spent very much time with pyro and it does seem to do more damage than AP from parses that I have seen and simulations but it certainly doesn't mean that AP isn't viable. I decided to level an alt using AP so that I could learn it from the beginning to give it an honest shot. My guide can be found on my guild's website here for those that are interested in trying it: http://affliction.swtorhost.com/foru...398&gid=253896

Basically there are a few changes in gearing and set bonuses that need to be made compared to pyro to fully maximize the AP DPS. This is also from a PVE perspective and not PVP whatsoever. AP is perfectly viable and in min/maxed 61 gear I can keep up or do more damage than most classes in similar gear with the exception of good marauders and snipers and probably other pyros (although I have never had the chance to do an operation with one in my group). I personally find the class very fun to play and I have really strong AOE and burst in addition to zero heat issues.
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Sosajoshua
02.01.2013 , 12:08 PM | #45
I can honestly say ive played with an AP powertech or tried it out but im sure it can keep up with single target dps of a Pyrotech in Operations. Im not pretending to know of AP but Pyrotech is definitely one if the strongest dps in the game. Proof is the constant aggro-stealing that happens and general high dps numbers. I have always been interested in AP however
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yotasatheart
02.02.2013 , 09:01 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Dharagada View Post
If your intrested in a tankish build there's a shield/pyro build that's pretty decent (works for PVE tanking too). Basically go up the tank tree to get rocket pack then up the pyro tree picking up heatseeker and superheated rail.

The spec really comes into it's own at about 48, but it's a very solid spec, good surviabilty good damage excellent mobility.

How I wish they would give Rocket Pack to all Bounty Hunters, or at least Powertechs always thought it a poor choice to make it pretty much tank only.
we dont get rocket pack standard becuase we get grapple standard. its a trade off of gap closers. assassins get their gap closer, force speed, standard, but have to spec for pull. its equal. juggs get their gap closer standard and push. while they get both standard, and both have uses in variable aspects, i find pull to have more use than push

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yotasatheart
02.02.2013 , 09:18 AM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Xsorus View Post
You're joking right? I've been 50 since the first week, Valor Rank 50, if you're failing to use Flame Thrower, you're not using your Carbonize correctly.

Failing to be able to properly use Flamethrower, while not picking up one of the best talents in AP proves to me, you're a nub.
youve been 50 since the first week and are only valor 50? my PT has been 50 for 3 days and im valor 60.............

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OlosBC
02.02.2013 , 03:47 PM | #48
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youve been 50 since the first week and are only valor 50? my PT has been 50 for 3 days and im valor 60.............
Take a closer look at the date of the post you quoted.
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Mooseondaloose
02.06.2013 , 03:25 PM | #49
I personally use AP and like it. I also like pyro, but i find AP better. ever since they buffed the FT. 60-70% pf my FT run their course, so thats really not the problem. Also a hybrid could work, but that would have to be tested. Either of them are good for leveling, since the class itself is an awesome leveling class.