Warrgames Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 I PvP as deception and PvE as tank. I find this ability completely useless. In PvP its to fluid to predicted where to drop it. It either runs out or you range it. In PvE you are now made to be OT. Healer stay at range so dropping and pulling the boss to the healer is never a good idea. Even if the boss doesn't move you run 2 min timer. Any suggestion on how to better use it? Or is it worthless and just something fun to play around with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astarica Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 The most obvious cases is on Voidstar where you can get from one door to another basically instantly. It's not as useful for non Darkness specs in PvP since its primary use is to put extra distance between you and the enemy. It's a good defense against Ravage without wasting a CC (or if they're not up). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otterscrubber Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Ya, i'm not really sure when this ability would be worth the trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRGhostRider Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 If you can't find another use for it, drop it right next to the medpac on the map e.g. novare coast when you come out, drop it on the hill. You can escape when you are close to death and insta-heal and come back... better than a maras camo. Huttball, drop it either on their endzone to be in position for a pass, or up on the ledge so you can get back up after knock backs. Voidstar, again on the medpac, or to switch between doors at the first set of doors. I'm sure we can find many awesome uses once we play w/ the ability some more. I think it is a really cool ability! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dierdrea Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 (edited) I just started playing again and this is one of the coolest skills in pvp. First, it allows you to port away from certain death. Here are some uses I have personally tried in games: you can port from pit onto endzone to knock ball carrier off in huttball. You can avoid running around the walls and port right into mid in civil war. Someone already gave a void star example. It is a very good utility skill (situational, sure) but used wisely it allows you to stop a lot of caps in warzones or cap behind someone's back. Just fun in general. Edited April 15, 2013 by Dierdrea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astarica Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 The jump off point from middle to side turrets in Alderaan is another great place to put a Phase Walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeeses Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Just something I've thought of, unfortunately haven't been able to try yet. Offense on a node, (any wz) if theres one on D, drop phase walk, engage them and lure them away from node, make sure they use CC break. Force Cloak, Mind Trap, Phase walk, Cap node and steath again if possible. You're now on D, (or have broken through wall if VZ) congrats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astarica Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Just something I've thought of, unfortunately haven't been able to try yet. Offense on a node, (any wz) if theres one on D, drop phase walk, engage them and lure them away from node, make sure they use CC break. Force Cloak, Mind Trap, Phase walk, Cap node and steath again if possible. You're now on D, (or have broken through wall if VZ) congrats The enemy can see your phase walk beacon location, so he'll be highly suspicious something's up when he sees a purple/golden circle on the ground that wasn't there before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeeses Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 The enemy can see your phase walk beacon location, so he'll be highly suspicious something's up when he sees a purple/golden circle on the ground that wasn't there before. theres plenty of locations around nodes that you could place it and it be relatively hidden. Obviously placing it right at the door wouldn't fool many unless they're totally stupid. Say you're doing VZ, throw it behind one of the pillars and pull him away, him facing you means he'll most likely not see it and then you could CC, PW sprint and cap. I can't imagine the average player would be rotating the camera around themselves checking for a PW on the ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yotasatheart Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 theres plenty of locations around nodes that you could place it and it be relatively hidden. Obviously placing it right at the door wouldn't fool many unless they're totally stupid. Say you're doing VZ, throw it behind one of the pillars and pull him away, him facing you means he'll most likely not see it and then you could CC, PW sprint and cap. I can't imagine the average player would be rotating the camera around themselves checking for a PW on the ground more people do this than you think. wither im on offense or defense, im always panning my camera around. all good players do it becuase it helps you keep your situational awareness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeckoOBac Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 In PvE you are now made to be OT. Healer stay at range so dropping and pulling the boss to the healer is never a good idea. Even if the boss doesn't move you run 2 min timer. Not completely sure what you mean with the first sentence but: while giving it to the healers may be a better choice, like you said it often isn't an option. What you should know though is that YOUR self heals benefit from the boost as well. Since a big chunk of your total mitigation comes from your self healing, that's a big boost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeeses Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) more people do this than you think. wither im on offense or defense, im always panning my camera around. all good players do it becuase it helps you keep your situational awareness Exactly, all good players do. I'm finding it hard to come across many whilst lvling right now. Point of thread is to discuss options of Phase Walk, not whether or not an enemy will notice your beacon etc. I personally really like the ability and am keen to hear some ideas on its uses besides the obvious ones like put it on scoreline in huttball and use it to position for score etc. Edited April 16, 2013 by Jeeses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeeses Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) Another one i've thought about, but not quite sure if it will work or not, Hutball, you steath over to enemy score zone, say west corner to try avoid to much attention. You then get ball, either by running to spawn point or by someone throwing it to you. lets say for the sake of conversation your at enemy acid Sprint to have your PW in range of your ball throw, (only just to allow as much ball airtime as possible) Throw ball and instantly use PW Tele to ball landzone, you've essentially thrown the ball to yourself lol. Score and watch enemy team scratch their heads. If i get the chance ill try this tonight unless someone else does or its impossible Anyone tried this? would it work? or would ball land before you/reset as you weren't there when it was thrown or something? Edited April 16, 2013 by Jeeses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeeses Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) the more and more i think about this ability, the more OP it feels. So many options for this badboy Edited April 16, 2013 by Jeeses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yotasatheart Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 it really is a very decent ability. people do like it becuase it doesnt have anything to do with damage or killing an opponent. what they dont see is how incredible it is for utility. the ability to save yourself from death during an over extend, porting to stop a node cap, swapping doors in voidstar, quick movement back to the ball on huttbal aftre a cap, ETC it situtional, but a very fantastic utility skill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrgames Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share Posted April 16, 2013 It does have its benefit but as I said PvP is fluid. During PvP I find my timer runs out or I'm kite away from my marker greater 60m from my marker. Which is what I do to Sin/Shadow kite away from marker. Maybe once more people get geared and Ranked picks up it will be more useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yotasatheart Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 It does have its benefit but as I said PvP is fluid. During PvP I find my timer runs out or I'm kite away from my marker greater 60m from my marker. Which is what I do to Sin/Shadow kite away from marker. Maybe once more people get geared and Ranked picks up it will be more useful. i know pvp is fluid, but i dont think your either employing it correctly, or just havent had the oppertunity to really use it. i place markers on CD, and yes, the timer often runs out, but the ability literally has been game breaking for me at times. like i said, its extremily situational. but very very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avicii Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Another one i've thought about, but not quite sure if it will work or not, Hutball, you steath over to enemy score zone, say west corner to try avoid to much attention. You then get ball, either by running to spawn point or by someone throwing it to you. lets say for the sake of conversation your at enemy acid Sprint to have your PW in range of your ball throw, (only just to allow as much ball airtime as possible) Throw ball and instantly use PW Tele to ball landzone, you've essentially thrown the ball to yourself lol. Score and watch enemy team scratch their heads. If i get the chance ill try this tonight unless someone else does or its impossible Anyone tried this? would it work? or would ball land before you/reset as you weren't there when it was thrown or something? I believe I read on the PST forms that you can't pass the ball yourself as someone brought this up as being op. that said I don't know if they fixed it or not so its worth a try! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omophorus Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 The healing buff from the talent in the tanking tree is quite handy in PVE, especially with a group familiar with mechanics. Good utility movement skill in PVP, but there aren't any "killer apps" that aren't blatantly obvious, so it's more a matter of reacting to the WZ and figuring out how to use it to best effect. Assassin is hardly relegated to offtank status. It's the spikiest tank, certainly, but has the highest overall mitigation especially with intelligent use of CDs. On top of that it has far away the best DPS and TPS, so it's a fantastic tank if your healers are competent. The worse your healers are, the less viable Assassin is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griad Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I love the uses in PVP for phase walk in pve its meehhhh not really worth the time, i didnt even use it once during my leveling from 51-55 as a PVE dps its completly useless. I would have prefered a less pvp orriented skill and a more pve minded skill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateKrucible Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Hi guys - I play a Jedi Shadow and we've got a similar thread going on in our forum; "thoughts on phase walk". Interesting to see we're coming up with new ways to use it. Consensus appears to be its a PvP-centric power that has some use in raids but none in generic world-questing. Interested to see if the pass-to-yourself tactic works. One of our lot claims you can place the marker on a VS bridge, jump off, force pull (if you're a tank) someone with you and TP back ..... Which must surely be the most inventive use of a power, ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjonxb Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 In PVE it is now (HM 55 and most likely in OPS) i use Phase Walk regularly as a tank. I am also talented so people around me gets additional heals. It depends on the fight but I try to place it right in th Sorc "Good Touch Circle" (i don't know the name) to help with its benefit. As far as using the actual ability of it in PVE, I have only seen a few instances of its usefull ness so far. However it may proove to be more useful as I get used to it. If nothing else a time saver and helps to grab agro quicker on over eager DPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astarica Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Phase Walk requires planning, forethought, and sometimes just plain luck in PvP because it's hard to know exactly how the events will unfold. For example in a game of Hypergate dropped a beacon halfway between our node and the center so I can get back there faster. I got hit to like 2% while near the center and managed to run out and teleported there on time, and that was enough to put me out of combat so I healed back up. Althuogh I was out of the battle for a while, that still seems better than simply dying especially for Hypergates where deaths factor into the score. Of course it is quite likely I fail to teleport on time and just die, or die to a dot, and it's not an earthshattering advantage but having one less death still matters. I find that the first moment there's any kind of break in battle you should deploy your Phase Walk. The worst that can happen is it doesn't do anything useful which is the same as never deploying it in the first place, and you never know when it can save you. Teleporting out of a ravage is like saving 5K of health minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otterscrubber Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 So many good suggestions here, I've changed my mind on this ability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griad Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Can anyone come up with a clever use of this skill in PVE as DPS..?? I for one would have loved for it to be a skill that you place like deathfield would have been a little more usefull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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