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Discussion Topic: Class Changes This Summer

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Discussion Topic: Class Changes This Summer
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casirabit
06.07.2017 , 10:15 PM | #101
Quote: Originally Posted by ViktorAres View Post
The list must contain Lightning/Telekinesis, which currently has the most underperforming DPS.


Hey all,

I told Musco I would wait until tomorrow to post anything, but, but, but, I simply couldn't do it. I've seen so many posts about Sage/Sorc TK/Lightning, I had to jump in.

The list is ONLY the start and the ones listed may be included in Patch 5.3, but we might move some changes out to Patch 5.4 and include other Disciplines not yet mentioned. For example, notice that Operative/Scoundrel healing isn't on this list, yet. Hmmmppffft. They should be in the list, as I want to see my healers indestructible and completely outperforming all other healing classes! Alas, I know we won't do that, but I'd love it, even for a month!!!

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06.07.2017 , 10:20 PM | #102
Quote: Originally Posted by KeithKanneg View Post
Hey all,

I told Musco I would wait until tomorrow to post anything, but, but, but, I simply couldn't do it. I've seen so many posts about Sage/Sorc TK/Lightning, I had to jump in.

The list is ONLY the start and the ones listed may be included in Patch 5.3, but we might move some changes out to Patch 5.4 and include other Disciplines not yet mentioned. For example, notice that Operative/Scoundrel healing isn't on this list, yet. Hmmmppffft. They should be in the list, as I want to see my healers indestructible and completely outperforming all other healing classes! Alas, I know we won't do that, but I'd love it, even for a month!!!

Keith---
Could be reading into it too much but sounds like they want to focus on smaller groups at a time. Instead of trying to balance all 8 advanced classes and 24 disciplines at the same time, that they want to do them in groups but that just may be reading too much into it.
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Tadagyt
06.07.2017 , 10:27 PM | #103
Quote: Originally Posted by Iceslasher View Post
HOPEFULLY you guys are ONLY changing merc off heals and NOT destroying our dps especially on an arsenal RAIDING situation...as NOT CAVING TO THE PVPERS for gods sake. how many times do we HAVE to go through this!!!!!!!! I gave up my operative I played because of a bunch of infants were screaming how we were op in pvp...note i didn't pvp i RAIDED. How about instead of screwing us over..make a separate tree that auto turns on when pvp is activated...that way pve'ers are NOT harmed over this kind of idiocy!
Remember when the SIN hatred got nerfed and destroyed because of pvp? I do. Each time they get a class right for pve, they have to nerf it and ruin it because of pvp.
I'm seriously worried about this merc nerf to be honest.

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DanNV
06.07.2017 , 10:30 PM | #104
Quote: Originally Posted by WayOfTheWarriorx View Post
lol

Not really OP???

What are you high? heh

There has never, in the entire history of this game, been a class more OP than Commandos/Mercs currently.
You're crazy. Sents/Maras were WAY OP for a very LONG time. The most anything ever has been.

The only issue with fighting mercs/mandos is L2P. Don't attack while the bubble is up and they melt. I have one to prove is. Go look at the ranked stats. Last i checked mercs and mandos weren't exactly top of the heap there, either. The lot of you are just griping because you can't melt the mandos as fast as you used to be able to.

I've already had one main raid character nerfed into being unwelcome on a raid team (and 2 updates later, it's still useless.) If it happens again to another I'm out and my monthly sub with me. I am not going to level yet another toon to try to gear it through the mess that is gearing now. Nope. Not gonna happen. There isn't enough left of this game that's worth playing to be worth the time or effort.
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Jushyfruit
06.07.2017 , 10:34 PM | #105
I'm curious to see if they have accounted for lightning/TK chain lightning bug and whether or not that factors into their class balance changes. The bug itself has been posted on the forum so finding what's causing the bug should be something the devs should be looking at when changing the spec. For those unfamiliar with the bug, it makes chain lightning/TK wave an instant cast allowing it to be used twice as much. This is a significant DPS increase which puts their DPS on an equal level to arsenal mercs. Not only does it allow less lightning bolt fillers but it also buffs AOE damage and affliction indirectly because every cast of chain lightning refreshes affliction AND causes it to tick an extra time because of the refresh. So many sorcs/sages are abusing this bug now and the devs should seriously look into either making chain lightning an instant by default with less damage or fixing the bug before they do major changes to the spec.
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LonelyWookiee
06.07.2017 , 10:35 PM | #106
It's nice that Operative DPS is finally viable in PVE, however, they're definitely lacking when it comes to survivability. Most all of the utility points have to be placed into defensive selections (regardless if healing or dpsing) rather than offensive just to stay alive and this really hampers their total damage output and usefulness. Additionally, it would be nice to see them inflict the Sundered, rather than Assailable, debuff.
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MeNaCe-NZ
06.07.2017 , 10:38 PM | #107
Quote: Originally Posted by KeithKanneg View Post

For example, notice that Operative/Scoundrel healing isn't on this list, yet. Hmmmppffft. They should be in the list, as I want to see my healers indestructible and completely outperforming all other healing classes! Alas, I know we won't do that, but I'd love it, even for a month!!!

Keith---
Queue conspiracy theory posts starting now!

You do realize you can pretty much never have those classes buffed now because it will trigger even more "nepotism" posts. :P

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Zolxtren
06.07.2017 , 10:41 PM | #108
no Lighting changes ? are you freaken kidding me ? one of the worst spec in the entire freaken game...... jesus people.

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MonkMoney
06.07.2017 , 10:44 PM | #109
Quote: Originally Posted by DanNV View Post
You're crazy. Sents/Maras were WAY OP for a very LONG time. The most anything ever has been.

The only issue with fighting mercs/mandos is L2P. Don't attack while the bubble is up and they melt. I have one to prove is. Go look at the ranked stats. Last i checked mercs and mandos weren't exactly top of the heap there, either. The lot of you are just griping because you can't melt the mandos as fast as you used to be able to.

I've already had one main raid character nerfed into being unwelcome on a raid team (and 2 updates later, it's still useless.) If it happens again to another I'm out and my monthly sub with me. I am not going to level yet another toon to try to gear it through the mess that is gearing now. Nope. Not gonna happen. There isn't enough left of this game that's worth playing to be worth the time or effort.
Gunslinger and Sentinels are the only class without self-heals, and limited defensive cools downs, wearing medium armor. There is no reason a scoundrel and commando should be top DPS, when they can off-heal themselves. As a sentinel or gunslinger, I should blow you up, and you should expect to be blown up. Sentinels, we have always been glass cannons

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ELRunninW
06.07.2017 , 10:48 PM | #110
I did like the direction that was promised recently. Make dot specs do most DPS while burst should do less than that. At the same time let melee classes do more damage than range classes.
That seems fair.

Looking at some of the responses in this threat I am afraid that some people are misinformed about the state of the class balance. I am not saying I am right, I just strongly disagree with some suggestions.

We were always missing a transparency in how decisions are made regarding class balance. One thing that I find we all as players can agree on, is asking the same question, who the hell thought this current state would be a good idea, even if we have slightly different opinion on the outcome.

There are skilled players out there, reach out and get their input. Give us more open testing of the class balance and let us get involved by sharing your decision-making process.