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Hatred vs. Deception PvE


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AdjeYo
07.17.2017 , 08:25 AM | #21
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If only it didn't look so silly.
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FlavivsAetivs
07.19.2017 , 05:41 AM | #22
HM Styrak is easy for deception, all you have to do is just time your shadow stride right because it resets if you kill the add in less than 10 seconds. Mobility isn't an issue on that one anymore.

However they fixed HM underlurker so you have to take force speed + egress utility on him, otherwise the lurkerlings will slow you right after you activate force speed.

Face maul fixes the only issue with deception on HM Brontes. For most fights, with the insta-cooldown on Shadow stride if the add dies fast, it's fine. The issue now is with knockbacks or when the boss jumps everywhere, like Pearl/Cora/Ruugar (although I can't comment on HM, never been on a team that has gotten that far).
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supertimtaf
07.19.2017 , 06:54 AM | #23
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HM Styrak is easy for deception, all you have to do is just time your shadow stride right because it resets if you kill the add in less than 10 seconds. Mobility isn't an issue on that one anymore.
You're right, just tested it, now that you've got Front Maul, Timing issue with adds isn't difficult to apprehend. The issue I was experiencing before was that I usually took too long on a nightmare manifestation, therefore not resetting my phantom stride on time... Now, the problem is solved, with good timing and good dps the fight is pretty much a joke. Haven't made it in NiM since 5.0 so I don't really know about that. ^^'

Although I agree on the fact that boss with bump/jump are usually the biggest concern for now. (Though if Phantom Stride was working properly every time and not 2 time out of 5 it wouldn't be so bad )
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JLazarillo
07.20.2017 , 03:49 PM | #24
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No, really, why does the Discipline that's supposed to be the most focused on stealth strikes have the ridiculously flashy spinny raver glowstick moves?

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Marauder
09.06.2017 , 01:43 PM | #25
You all talk of switching or using Hatred on some runs and Deception on others. Is there an easy way to save your keyboard setup for each? So I you switch your abilities are set up already?

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ottffsse
09.06.2017 , 02:10 PM | #26
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You all talk of switching or using Hatred on some runs and Deception on others. Is there an easy way to save your keyboard setup for each? So I you switch your abilities are set up already?
not really you do it manually as in drag and drop. but of course keep the same keybinds on shared abilities because that just makes sense. the only thing you should do on any discipline and also on any toon really is a setup an overall system for yourself where you keybind similar abilities on different disciplines to the same keys. for example I use the mostly spam "filler" ability of a class to dps or heal ability as my "2" key. I use my mez stun always on "x", mobility on "f", interrupt on "t" etc. That way you can change from spec to spec more easily once that is set-up and you have an overall layout for your keyboard saved.
Beyond that I would recommend using often used abilities on left side of keyboard and long cooldown abilities on right side of keyboard as you right hand (at least in my case) will be on the mouse.

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bdatt
09.06.2017 , 02:11 PM | #27
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You all talk of switching or using Hatred on some runs and Deception on others. Is there an easy way to save your keyboard setup for each? So I you switch your abilities are set up already?
Unfortunately there is not. But, only 4 abilities come and go so if you keep all the others in the same keybind slot it won't be much of a change. Edit: 5 abilities but double strike/clairvoyant strike are kinda the same.

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Marauder
09.07.2017 , 06:30 AM | #28
Ok, thank you. Since returning a week or so ago, my assassin was spec Hatred and was level 60. I am 64 now and still hatred and it seems to work pretty well, although I will say the game seems much easier in normal PvE with all the companions just healing you non stop. I am sure its still difficult in operations etc.

For normal PvE would deception be ok also? I am not sure when to switch and learn the spec as I have always been hatred I believe.

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nyrkverse
09.07.2017 , 11:12 PM | #29
For normal PvE punching things with no weapon equipped is okay deception is in a great place and as you're already in your sixties pretty much fully formed.
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Marauder
09.08.2017 , 07:22 AM | #30
Is deception still a mix of your ranged powers and saber or is it all saber? Is the dulfy 5.0 spec still the one to use?