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Class Changes Feedback: Madness Sorcerer / Balance Sage Underperforms [5.3Buff]

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Class Changes Feedback: Madness Sorcerer / Balance Sage Underperforms [5.3Buff]

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Nikitko
07.15.2017 , 07:05 AM | #11
I completely agreed with previous speakers. Make atleast something, that you said once before or don't try to make anything else then. You already broke the whole game, please, try not to break the rest things. Buff sorc, why should i break my fingers (not only fingers) while im kiting the oper on wz and he's even not trying hard? In 4.0 atleast you could 1v1 oper, merc, sniper, sin, so why it's mostly impossible to do right now? I will give an example: world of warcraft ( isn't it this game from where you actually took the main idea of mostly all gameplay in swtor?) there are some classes which can't compete with others in 1v1, BUT it's all compensated with the idea, that u need to make team gameplay, u need to build command structure. And even with that they do lot of fix in classes like every 1-2 months. For us its celebration
when we have a fix patch once in 6 months. There aren't any reasons, why ops leader would take sorc dps instead of sniper or merc or others dps. Make sorc great again \o Or don't make anything else in this game.

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BraverDre
07.15.2017 , 10:49 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Labranth View Post
I support you, sorcs are in the bottom now, they need some buffs. You BioWare even care?
They do care as long as we leave our feedback. They need to take a look at parsley and they will see that sorcs are underperforming compare to mDPS and Snipers. We, sorcs, want to feel comfortable in PVE content like HM Revan and NiM OPS.

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Darrahsrhaw
07.15.2017 , 04:25 PM | #13
I realy grow tired of this dear sorcs brothers stupid devs only undestand when ppl unsub. I DONT WANT PLAY MARA, OR SNIPER OR OPERATIVE I AM SORC DPS I DONT ENJOY PLAY OTHER CLASSES. And I want to be in same postion as sniper viru and io merc. when raid leaders say I want sorc dps in my OPS. BIOWARE with this stupid Ben Irving worldfirst worst game producer and his command crates gearing systems and overpowered mercs u already lost a lot of sub and u will lose it again if u fail to balance classes and u already failed with sorcs. here my parse http://parsely.io/parser/view/300235/0 here top sorc parse http://parsely.io/parser/view/298755/0 and top viru sniper http://parsely.io/parser/view/300031/0 WHY THE HELL WE ARE NOT IN FCKING SAME POSTION AS U WERE SAYING HERE

Melee Burst/Ranged Sustained Damage Dealers (at the target DPS)
Advanced Prototype Powertech / Tactics Vanguard
Carnage Marauder / Combat Sentinel
Concealment Operative / Scrapper Scoundrel
Deception Assassin / Infiltration Shadow
Engineering Sniper / Saboteur Gunslinger
Innovative Ordnance Mercenary / Assault Specialist Commando
Madness Sorcerer / Balance Sage
Rage Juggernaut / Focus Guardian
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Kuvox
07.15.2017 , 06:33 PM | #14
I COMPLETELY support this thread! We need to request a sticky post where people can easily and routinely check how Sorcs are doing via Parsely relative to where they are supposed to be according to the "How Class Balance Happens" post.

Most organizations these days are data driven, especially quantitative data. Let's make sure the dev's "How Class Balance Happens" post is never forgotten. Let's hold them utterly and completely accountable to the words written there. Yes, I know, Parsely doesn't reflect everything in the game, but it still gives us the best information we as players have.

As others have noted, the following disciplines are all supposed to be around the same DPS via the "How Class Balance Happens" post:

Melee Burst/Ranged Sustained Damage Dealers (at the target DPS)
  • Advanced Prototype Powertech / Tactics Vanguard
  • Carnage Marauder / Combat Sentinel
  • Concealment Operative / Scrapper Scoundrel
  • Deception Assassin / Infiltration Shadow
  • Engineering Sniper / Saboteur Gunslinger
  • Innovative Ordnance Mercenary / Assault Specialist Commando
  • Madness Sorcerer / Balance Sage
  • Rage Juggernaut / Focus Guardian

It's important to note that madness/balance is currently NOT at the bottom of the "Melee Burst/Ranged Sustained Damage Dealers" grouping via Parsely. That designation currently belongs to Rage Juggernaut / Focus Guardian (9275.46). Second lowest is Innovative Ordnance / Assault Specialist at 9404.62. Madness Sorcerer / Balance Sage is third at 9449.04. Engineering Sniper / Sabotuer Gunslinger is not too far off us at 9643.98.

If us players who main Sorcs are to be taken seriously by all players, we need to be consistent and promote ALL those classes not where the devs say they should be according to their "How Class Balance Happens" post. Thus, it's not just us who needs a buff, it's also Rage Juggernauts, Innovative Ordnance Mercs, and maybe Engineering Snipers.
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Darrahsrhaw
07.15.2017 , 10:39 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by BraverDre View Post
They do care as long as we leave our feedback. They need to take a look at parsley and they will see that sorcs are underperforming compare to mDPS and Snipers. We, sorcs, want to feel comfortable in PVE content like HM Revan and NiM OPS.
they just hate this class but as long as we have this poste from musco and keith
Damage Groupings for Damage Dealing Disciplines
Melee Sustained Damage Dealers (up to +5% of target DPS)

Annihilation Marauder / Watchman Sentinel
Hatred Assassin / Serenity Shadow
Lethality Operative / Ruffian Scoundrel
Pyrotech Powertech / Plasmatech Vanguard
Vengeance Juggernaut / Vigilance Guardian
Melee Quasi-Burst Damage Dealer (up to +2.5% of target DPS)

Fury Marauder / Concentration Sentinel
Melee Burst/Ranged Sustained Damage Dealers (at the target DPS)

Advanced Prototype Powertech / Tactics Vanguard
Carnage Marauder / Combat Sentinel
Concealment Operative / Scrapper Scoundrel
Deception Assassin / Infiltration Shadow
Engineering Sniper / Saboteur Gunslinger
Innovative Ordnance Mercenary / Assault Specialist Commando
Madness Sorcerer / Balance Sage
Rage Juggernaut / Focus Guardian
Ranged Quasi-Sustained Damage Dealer (down to -2.5% of target DPS)

Virulence Sniper / Dirty Fighting Gunslinger
Ranged Burst Damage Dealers (down to -5% of target DPS)

Arsenal Mercenary / Gunnery Command
Lightning Sorcerer / Telekinetics Sage
Marksmanship Sniper / Sharpshooter Gunslinger
we have to take what is rightfuly ours
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Hichitsuki-hime
07.16.2017 , 01:23 AM | #16
indeed, according to that virulence is supposed to be target dps - 2.5%........ and it's atm #4 highest spec. at least based on the limited parsely data. which means they either need to nerf that again, or buff up the melee burst / ranged sustained to actually do more than viru LOL.
then again to begin with, dear Devs, can you please TELL us what hte target DPS is supposed to be????
The Red Eclipse: Ka'nata (madness sorc) <Indefinite>;
Ebon Hawk: Sa'yana <Army of Light>
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Hoppinswtor
07.16.2017 , 03:20 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Darrahsrhaw View Post
I am agreed mate. Bioware have to do something with it cuz look at starparse leaderboards its still underperforming. Madness should be in same posstion with IO, engi, viru or around not five hundred below. and I know what i am saying. sorcs can only count on luck this days. yes its better when it was in 5.2 but still we need one more small buff. look at my parse http://parsely.io/parser/view/300235/0 I wasted whole day to reach this numbers. I think maybe. mayybee madness can do little bit more but never never reach the same level as snipers and mercs do
I appreciate your honesty. Most of the DPS sorcs who are getting 9500+ on a dummy aren't being forthcoming how long it's actually taking them to get outstanding RNG. Even 9300 as madness is a good parse and likely features good crits.

Arsenal, meanwhile, has been amazingly consistent, and so has IO. Average arsenal parse is 9100 and pretty much always between 9000-9200. Same with IO (9600-9800). Both sorc specs are varying wildly between 9100-9500 for me. I haven't parsed Sniper yet, but I feel there's way too much variance with sorc specs atm.
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Hichitsuki-hime
07.16.2017 , 03:38 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Darrahsrhaw View Post
I am agreed mate. Bioware have to do something with it cuz look at starparse leaderboards its still underperforming. Madness should be in same posstion with IO, engi, viru or around not five hundred below. and I know what i am saying. sorcs can only count on luck this days. yes its better when it was in 5.2 but still we need one more small buff. look at my parse http://parsely.io/parser/view/300235/0 I wasted whole day to reach this numbers. I think maybe. mayybee madness can do little bit more but never never reach the same level as snipers and mercs do
well, according to their post, viru is supposed to be target -2.5% lol, and if we look at the table on parsely it's like #4 highest parsing lol. so yeah something def. needs done and not just about sorc. might u it's still not totally accurate data, but much better than some dude yelling "no madness needs no buff cause i was luck in a w/z and my enemy stood in a pile so it was easy to dot-spread lol"
The Red Eclipse: Ka'nata (madness sorc) <Indefinite>;
Ebon Hawk: Sa'yana <Army of Light>
5/5 NiM TFB; 7/7 NiM S&V; 5/5 NiM DF; 3/5 NIM DP; 5/5 HM RAV; 5/5 HM ToS
#Fix SAGE DPS # R.I.P. SAGE HEALS

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Darrahsrhaw
07.16.2017 , 09:02 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Hichitsuki-hime View Post
well, according to their post, viru is supposed to be target -2.5% lol, and if we look at the table on parsely it's like #4 highest parsing lol. so yeah something def. needs done and not just about sorc. might u it's still not totally accurate data, but much better than some dude yelling "no madness needs no buff cause i was luck in a w/z and my enemy stood in a pile so it was easy to dot-spread lol"
They just taking us for a fools but every sorc have to deffend what is rightfuly ours
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BraverDre
07.16.2017 , 09:05 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoppinswtor View Post
I appreciate your honesty. Most of the DPS sorcs who are getting 9500+ on a dummy aren't being forthcoming how long it's actually taking them to get outstanding RNG. Even 9300 as madness is a good parse and likely features good crits.

Arsenal, meanwhile, has been amazingly consistent, and so has IO. Average arsenal parse is 9100 and pretty much always between 9000-9200. Same with IO (9600-9800). Both sorc specs are varying wildly between 9100-9500 for me. I haven't parsed Sniper yet, but I feel there's way too much variance with sorc specs atm.
Yeap.. Sorcs dps is around 9,2k.. When I saw my 9,4k I was like "lol what a lucky crit"... I am just so tired of people who say that sorcs are fine. They don't understand that "fine" is not enough. We, Sorcs, want our class to be in the same category with Snipers. Madness sorc is a sustained dps class and its DPS is below rDPS Burst and even Virulence.