Sorry I can't think of any and I tried really hard.

 

It's just not fair for a shared tree to be so vastly underpowered with respect to the other advanced class.

The main difference between the two, IMO, is that powertechs actually have the extra defensive capability to stand at close range and use a flamethrower, while mercs suffer when getting beat on, causing them to use the flamethrower less effectively.

 

Also, talents in the shieldtech and advanced prototypes trees which improve the flamethrower and other fire based abilities.

The main difference between the two, IMO, is that powertechs actually have the extra defensive capability to stand at close range and use a flamethrower, while mercs suffer when getting beat on, causing them to use the flamethrower less effectively.

 

Also, talents in the shieldtech and advanced prototypes trees which improve the flamethrower and other fire based abilities.

 

What the heck are you talking about? What do you mean that Pyros have the defensive capability to use flamethrower? Pyros have no extra defenses that Merc PTs don't. Also, Pyros don't use "Flamethrower.". Thats for Advanced Prototype. Pyros use "Flame Burst."

 

Get your facts straight.

 

To the OP:

 

Yeah, Pyro PTs are better than Merc PTs. The only benefit they have is that they can heal themselves (but PTs have taunts.)

I think PT's have more mobility than Mercs. I play both and the PT allows me plenty more movement.

There shouldn't be a reason ANY class is better than another, if things are working correctly. Asymmetry means your trade-offs aren't easily enumerated. That said, Mercs get some unique abilities that don't suck:

 

Power Surge, lets you throw a cast ability instantly. Onboard AED combat rez to make an ally get up mid-combat. Cures for self and teammates. Concussion missile to knock out an enemy combatant for a short time. And Power Shot, a solid, efficient long ranged damage ability.

9% More aim. (skill tree)

6% more damage on Death from above. (skill tree)

What the heck are you talking about? What do you mean that Pyros have the defensive capability to use flamethrower? Pyros have no extra defenses that Merc PTs don't. Also, Pyros don't use "Flamethrower.". Thats for Advanced Prototype. Pyros use "Flame Burst."

 

Get your facts straight.

 

To the OP:

 

Yeah, Pyro PTs are better than Merc PTs. The only benefit they have is that they can heal themselves (but PTs have taunts.)

 

When you look at everything no PT's should not have more staying power then Merc. Now Take a PT, and a Merc with comparable gear...Go To outlaws Den and hose them both down with AoE and see whats happens. In theory they should die around the same time considering same HP and AR right? Try it.

9% More aim. (skill tree)

6% more damage on Death from above. (skill tree)

 

Your right...and you would think this would result in an edge right? yet PT's consistantly out DPS Mercs in almost every WZ im in...Why is that?

 

I run with a PT friend and he usually averages between 350k to 550k, and 5k to 35k Protection per match depending on the map. I average 250k to 350k with around 35k to 55k Heals from just self healing behind pillars (probably get better numbers if I just died and spawn zerged honestly) But thats not how I like to play.

 

Now Im really here nor there on Merc...I rerolled a Jugg and run him in RWZ since the community is pretty clear Merc DPS is not welcome in rateds..Only Bodyguard.

Flame burst is a mega damage dealer, and is on an instant cooldown to proc rail shot, and can be used on the move. Rocket punch is another great attack.

 

By contrast, mercs are stuck with power shot (which often does less damage than flame burst, despite being channelled, cause of the latter's automatic proc and instant damage of its powerful combustible DoT) and unload, both of which root them for the duration.

 

A PT will have his combustible DoT on a target the entire time. A merc has to usually spend GCDs spamming rapid fire to achieve the same effect.

 

PT is such a better damage dealer, it's not even funny.

Sorry I can't think of any and I tried really hard.

 

It's just not fair for a shared tree to be so vastly underpowered with respect to the other advanced class.

 

Several people are already starting to gather data on RWZ's and so far most that I've seen show Merc as the least represented class in Rateds period. Now the data samples are small so nothing clear yet..but every single sample I have seen showed Merc at bottom DPS in rated PvP and least represented in Rated PVP.

 

Now if there is any merit to these data samples then Bioware's Metrics should be showing the same result. Hopefully this will eventually help Mercs out.

 

Problem is Bioware has been consistantly nerfing Merc from a PVP respect to the point that they have potentially made them underpowered....... they nerfed Merc survivabilty of all things as well...which was terrible to begin with...I fear the class designer for BH plays a PT. I have seen PT's hit 750k dmg in Normal WZ's twice yesterday alone two different players......

9% More aim. (skill tree)

6% more damage on Death from above. (skill tree)

 

You do realize that PT's also get a 9% aim boost too, right? It's in the Shield Tech tree. Most Pyros don't get it though.

 

I agree with the person that said Pyro PT's are more mobile than Merc PT's. Mobility is very important in PVP. All of the PT Pyros abilities are instant, and Flame Burst just rocks.

I love my pyro merc but my feelings of it being underpowered is confirmed especially after reading this thread. Even on the side of other classes (warriors inquisitor agent) and their sub classes i feel i cannot compete with their damage. I see myself getting crit by smash with BM geared warriors for 5 to 6k and i have 1298 expertise. I dont see those numbers ever not even on undergeared individuals but i see every other class able hit that hard. Bottom line unless Mercs get some serious love on the next patch we will continue to be at the bottom of the list in terms of PvP.

Merc Pyro is the weakest dps class in the game for PvP. But it won't be improved. Virtually no one plays it, which means the meta average dps for Merc Pyro is dominated by those very few players left in the class - naturally those with the most skill, most gear, most determination. So when BW looks at the meta averages, it concludes Merc Pyros need no help.

 

There are ways in which Merc Pyro are better than PT Pyro. But they have next to no practical value. Combat rezz - worthless in PvP and next to worthless in ops PvE, because if you've lost both your healers, 99% of the time you are going to wipe anyway. Heal spells - again, worthless in PvP, has value in only one instance in ops PvE - during the falling sequence against the final boss in EV.

 

The big purported advantage of the Merc Pyro to the PT Pyro is the 30m range on Powershot vs. 10m on FlameBurst. But this is made irrelevant by the Merc's weak toolset to maintain range vs. an opponent. I'm a valor 100 Merc Pyro and I can tell you I use Powershot maybe once per day in a wz. Maybe. Not once per proc sequence. Not once per match. Once per day. Maybe. It's the stupidiest, most useless ability you have for warzones. Compare that to PT Pyro's Flame Burst. They'll use that 50-80 times in a match because it is insta-cast, 100% guaranteed CGC proc AND ignores all armor.

 

The bottom line here is that I have seen one Merc Pyro in ranked warzones. Me. No one else is stupid enough to bring a Merc Pyro there. And me and all the other Merc Pyros in ranked warzones (there must be one or two other idiots on other servers) would gladly erase our characters and trade them in for a same stat, same gear PT Pyro if BW offered the chance to do so. Which is what they should do. Just erase Merc Pyros and let them all change AC to PT.

Merc Pyro is the weakest dps class in the game for PvP. But it won't be improved. Virtually no one plays it, which means the meta average dps for Merc Pyro is dominated by those very few players left in the class - naturally those with the most skill, most gear, most determination. So when BW looks at the meta averages, it concludes Merc Pyros need no help.

 

There are ways in which Merc Pyro are better than PT Pyro. But they have next to no practical value. Combat rezz - worthless in PvP and next to worthless in ops PvE, because if you've lost both your healers, 99% of the time you are going to wipe anyway. Heal spells - again, worthless in PvP, has value in only one instance in ops PvE - during the falling sequence against the final boss in EV.

 

The big purported advantage of the Merc Pyro to the PT Pyro is the 30m range on Powershot vs. 10m on FlameBurst. But this is made irrelevant by the Merc's weak toolset to maintain range vs. an opponent. I'm a valor 100 Merc Pyro and I can tell you I use Powershot maybe once per day in a wz. Maybe. Not once per proc sequence. Not once per match. Once per day. Maybe. It's the stupidiest, most useless ability you have for warzones. Compare that to PT Pyro's Flame Burst. They'll use that 50-80 times in a match because it is insta-cast, 100% guaranteed CGC proc AND ignores all armor.

 

The bottom line here is that I have seen one Merc Pyro in ranked warzones. Me. No one else is stupid enough to bring a Merc Pyro there. And me and all the other Merc Pyros in ranked warzones (there must be one or two other idiots on other servers) would gladly erase our characters and trade them in for a same stat, same gear PT Pyro if BW offered the chance to do so. Which is what they should do. Just erase Merc Pyros and let them all change AC to PT.

 

Exactly.

PT: More dmg and more survivability. Plus the survivability plays out where they do more damage over time.

 

Pretty much how it comes out.

PT does more dmg, that does'nt mean Mercs dont do any dmg. I am pyro merc and i do fine in pvp. I'm usually at the top of the dmg board at the end of wzs.

 

http://imageshack.us/f/40/screenshot2012061412412.jpg/

 

 

 

Kage is PT, I'm(Doomsdae) Merc

PT does more dmg, that does'nt mean Mercs dont do any dmg. I am pyro merc and i do fine in pvp. I'm usually at the top of the dmg board at the end of wzs.

 

http://imageshack.us/f/40/screenshot2012061412412.jpg/

 

 

 

Kage is PT, I'm(Doomsdae) Merc

 

You've posted this a couple of times now as if it's good - it's not. Anyone can rack up a bit of damage on a ranged dot class in a pug normal wz.

 

In rated wzs merc DPS are just a waste of a slot. I only play bodyguard now, it's pointless to take the slot of a marauder or pyro PT.

Edited July 8, 2012 by Sinsavz

PT does more dmg, that does'nt mean Mercs dont do any dmg. I am pyro merc and i do fine in pvp. I'm usually at the top of the dmg board at the end of wzs.

 

http://imageshack.us/f/40/screenshot2012061412412.jpg/

 

 

 

Kage is PT, I'm(Doomsdae) Merc

 

lol DPS pugging

lol DPS pugging

 

Ok this is a rated, now what?

 

http://imageshack.us/f/811/screenshot2012070819471.jpg/

 

 

lol DPS rateds

Ok this is a rated, now what?

 

http://imageshack.us/f/811/screenshot2012070819471.jpg/

 

 

lol DPS rateds

 

Now you just need to actually kill things and win the match!

moar excuses about merc dps plz. L2P is all i say.

Ok this is a rated, now what?

 

http://imageshack.us/f/811/screenshot2012070819471.jpg/

 

 

lol DPS rateds

 

Congrats you did 370k damage and killed 7 people. Your average damage - per - kill is around 53k, ie useless damage. Well done.

 

Oh and you lost. Horribly. Like most teams with dps mercs.

Edited July 9, 2012 by HeVans_

Congrats you did 370k damage and killed 7 people. Your average damage - per - kill is around 53k, ie useless damage. Well done.

 

Oh and you lost. Horribly. Like most teams with dps mercs.

 

Wait a sec tho, someone said dps merc is a wasted slot ( not this dps merc). I just showed that a merc can actually do dps win or lose and still you guys find more reasons not to acknowledge that all it takes is skill for any profession. No argument PT is set up for more dps, not every dmg spec PT knows how to dps tho. My thing is pyro mercs can do dps and i proved it in unrated/rated wzs, just you need to know how to play is all im saying.

Ok this is a rated, now what?

 

http://imageshack.us/f/811/screenshot2012070819471.jpg/

 

 

lol DPS rateds

 

now what??

 

i woulda been embarrased to post that SS. 7 kills??? i don't care if you did 2 million damage...7 kills!!

 

i don't care about the win or lose (if pugging), sometimes you run up against good teams, or get stuck with newbies...but, 7 kills?!?!

 

my last 5 SS's, including a HB loss:

 

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/3271/screenshot2012070500091.jpg

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3614/screenshot2012063012343.jpg

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/319/screenshot2012062900544.jpg <---that's what a healer heavy match should look like!! 7 kills...LOL@ u!!

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/7008/screenshot2012062900332.jpg

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/1901/screenshot2012062900074.jpg

 

bonus:

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/2/screenshot2012062301184.jpg

 

that's what a DPS Merc's resume should look like...

 

not 7 kills.

now what??

 

i woulda been embarrased to post that SS. 7 kills??? i don't care if you did 2 million damage...7 kills!!

 

i don't care about the win or lose (if pugging), sometimes you run up against good teams, or get stuck with newbies...but, 7 kills?!?!

 

my last 5 SS's, including a HB loss:

 

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/3271/screenshot2012070500091.jpg

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3614/screenshot2012063012343.jpg

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/319/screenshot2012062900544.jpg <---that's what a healer heavy match should look like!! 7 kills...LOL@ u!!

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/7008/screenshot2012062900332.jpg

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/1901/screenshot2012062900074.jpg

 

bonus:

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/2/screenshot2012062301184.jpg

 

that's what a DPS Merc's resume should look like...

 

not 7 kills.

 

Nice work even if it isnt a rated, sry i dont run around with a premade its nice having healers with you. My point is mercs can do dps if ppl know how to play.