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Gav Daragon's Belt -- Appearnce Changed

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Gav Daragon's Belt -- Appearnce Changed
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Zin-Zin
05.05.2014 , 11:24 AM | #41
No, it was not 'corrected'. It was CHANGED.

As players, we have no idea what the original design of something calls for. If you introduce something to the game and it looks like a dog, you can't then change it later on and say 'well the design was meant to look like a cat' because people were spending their real money to get an item that looked like a dog.

Please go back to the design staff and ask them to put the 'flap' back on the belt as it originally was released. The lack of QA (seriously, if the flap was intended to be part of the chestpiece, why didn't QA catch this and hold the item or fix it prior to release?) isn't the player's fault, and I'm sure a number of players purchased JUST the belt because of its original in-game appearance.

Otherwise, how are we supposed to have confidence in getting things from the CM when they can be changed later on with the handwave excuse of 'the original design called for...'

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Andryah
05.05.2014 , 12:46 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Zin-Zin View Post
No, it was not 'corrected'. It was CHANGED.

As players, we have no idea what the original design of something calls for. If you introduce something to the game and it looks like a dog, you can't then change it later on and say 'well the design was meant to look like a cat' because people were spending their real money to get an item that looked like a dog.

Please go back to the design staff and ask them to put the 'flap' back on the belt as it originally was released. The lack of QA (seriously, if the flap was intended to be part of the chestpiece, why didn't QA catch this and hold the item or fix it prior to release?) isn't the player's fault, and I'm sure a number of players purchased JUST the belt because of its original in-game appearance.
Well, technically, they did fix it ( the outfit), but not the way we had hoped. The chest piece was updated to show/carry the triangular metal extension (doh!!) and the belt has now had it's icon changed to match the thin belt. And, in looking at it post patch, I can totally see that the design of the outfit was to put the extra metal on the chest. The real question is who put it on the belt to begin with and why... but we won't likely get that.. so time to move on IMO.

So.... while this improved the chest piece nicely (though it's kind of funky now with some belts), they did nothing to put the belt back to original (which apparently was caused by the graphic being on the belt and not the chest piece ....which is probably how the designer intended to begin with).

AND.. Tait has confirmed this above. Though what we all thought was they would fix it back rather then add the metal section to the chest piece....an example of players (including myself) projecting our thoughts and desires, whereas the designer had other plans.. and if it was done right to begin with.. none of us would be coveting the cool belt with a triangular gold styling to it.
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Andryah
05.05.2014 , 12:50 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Zin-Zin View Post
Otherwise, how are we supposed to have confidence in getting things from the CM when they can be changed later on with the handwave excuse of 'the original design called for...'
Protip: ALL virtual content inside an MMO is owned exclusively by the game company and subject to change, withdrawal, additions at any time without player consent.

We don't have to like it, but it is the way your ToS/EULA reads. You have the right to use the content, under license, to play the game.. but you (and me, and everyone) have no rights to dictate or demand any control over the content. This includes CM content.

As the original poster of this bug report, I consider the bug closed with this last patch (even though they addressed it differently then we the players wanted). And I appreciate Tait closing with us on this, even though the answer was different then we all thought.

It's prudent, IMO, to not get too personally and emotionally attached to virtual content that is cosmetic, particularly since we have literally thousands and thousands of ways to combine the adaptive CM gear into unique and pleasant looking outfits.
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Beltane
05.05.2014 , 03:55 PM | #44
I have been using this chest as my main's armor (with a black dye, fully augmented) since it came out in January. I hate the current look and it ruins the rest of my outfit.

Please STOP changing existing chest pieces. If you want to release a "corrected" version then please in the future do what you did with some of the previous armor sets and release a "Classic" version as well as the "flawed" one.

Further, why on earth would the belt appearance not be part of the belt? Why are belts so often attached to chest pieces? What purpose does the belt slot serve then?

MMOs are all about cosmetics. It's the little things that matter.
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tomcn
05.05.2014 , 04:33 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
ALL virtual content inside an MMO is owned exclusively by the game company and subject to change, withdrawal, additions at any time without player consent. ... It's prudent, IMO, to not get too personally and emotionally attached to virtual content that is cosmetic
Selling virtual items in a game is a tricky business, since the items are intangible, so the only value that the virtual items provide is entertainment to the players.

The game company must foster the trust of the players that the virtual items will provide entertainment, or else players won't buy them. When a game company breaks the trust of the players by changing (or removing) a virtual item that a player paid for, then the game company runs the risk that players may stop buying virtual items.

I want SWTOR to be as successful as possible. I want Bioware to make money, and I want the employees who work on this game to continue to be employed. I think it would be prudent for Bioware to avoid changing virtual items that players have paid real money for, and to revert back these particular changes.

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Andryah
05.05.2014 , 07:17 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Beltane View Post
I have been using this chest as my main's armor (with a black dye, fully augmented) since it came out in January. I hate the current look and it ruins the rest of my outfit.
See.. and I think the change to the chest piece improves it greatly. It always seemed slightly off to me. I too use a black dye on it and the chest needed the extra gold IMO.

Different people, different tastes. Which of course does not change the fact that we are not going to see the belt back to it's original look...... but life goes on, even inside imaginary worlds.
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Beltane
05.05.2014 , 07:30 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
See.. and I think the change to the chest piece improves it greatly. It always seemed slightly off to me. I too use a black dye on it and the chest needed the extra gold IMO.

Different people, different tastes. Which of course does not change the fact that we are not going to see the belt back to it's original look...... but life goes on, even inside imaginary worlds.
And I'd be fine with this if they did what they did with other sets where they released a "flawed" version people got attached to--release a "classic" version that is its original state, like the Phantom and Classic Phantom sets. That way both looks are in the game and everyone wins.

I just don't see why a belt is not a belt, lol.
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Clarian
05.06.2014 , 08:35 AM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by TaitWatson View Post
The original design of the piece called for the "flap" to be part of the robes
Once a piece is released in a non-defective state, and people have made their spending decisions based on that, the original design is irrelevant. If for whatever reason you still want to release the original design, the right thing to do is to make it a new, distinct piece.

(I would have thought Bioware had learned that lesson with the first round of 'classic' armors...some of which, by the way, are among my favorite pieces, though I never would have spent a single credit on the 'original designs'.)

Also, given the number of cartel market items with actual defects, using time that could have been spent fixing those to 'fix' something that wasn't even defective is a disservice to your customers.
Quote: Originally Posted by Magnusheart View Post
It IS an intended change. to what it was advertised to be.
The actual appearance in-game overrides any previews or advertisements. And that's what people should be able to feel safe using as the basis for their spending decisions.

I want this game to be around for a long time, but with a cash shop that people can't trust, I don't know...

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Mireleni
05.06.2014 , 05:42 PM | #49
I understand that the tunic and belt are now as they were originally intended to be. However, that is not what we bought. I got the entire armor set for my Collections because I really liked the original tunic--without the below-the-belt decorations--but I have no interest in the current version, so it is useless to me now. Is there any chance of a "classic" version being released?
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