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Premade heroic raids clear heroics quicker than pugs

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Premade heroic raids clear heroics quicker than pugs

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LoloStarwind
12.15.2011 , 10:01 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Scelerant View Post
I find it sad that having a good vocabulary and knowledge is a negative thing these days.

Ya try talking to a woman with those words see where you end up at the end of the night......
jerkin it. Point proven. It is however useful in words with friends!

Some premades are made for loot just as some raids are made for loot, others are made because the players like a challenge/achivement. However, if you are making a premade for the challenge, then there is no reason to oppose a premade vs premade only queue. Since the idea behind a premade vs premade match in this case would be quality over quantity so to speak.
too bad they have not implemented that yet....they will when there are more max lvl or lose there pvp players to a different game.

opinion: personally raid to get gear....not to be in a social group...I get mad and will flame keyboard turners...people who cant avoid flames or simple obstacles do really bad dps for there class ect....Generally all of the above happens untill you find other players that dont suck group with them , form a guild with them and then eventually take on raids and other players that dont suck in arenas or bgs. This is the life of the "results" players.....

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EvanSnowWolf
12.15.2011 , 11:19 AM | #22
Scelerant's signature already tells me everything I need to know about him. /ignore

Seriously though.. the OP's point is valid. It IS the same thing. I don't buy the slippery slope of logic being used against it.
"But you know how it is, cows go moo, dogs go woof, and mmo players go the pvp is unbalanced." - Ben 'Yahtzee' Croshaw.

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Scelerant
12.15.2011 , 11:56 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by LoloStarwind View Post
too bad they have not implemented that yet....they will when there are more max lvl or lose there pvp players to a different game.

opinion: personally raid to get gear....not to be in a social group...I get mad and will flame keyboard turners...people who cant avoid flames or simple obstacles do really bad dps for there class ect....Generally all of the above happens untill you find other players that dont suck group with them , form a guild with them and then eventually take on raids and other players that dont suck in arenas or bgs. This is the life of the "results" players.....
I find it quite funny that everyone who has had something negative to say about my posts have failed magnificently at using the quote function. It's square bracket quote square bracket to start a quote, square bracket backslash quote square bracket to end one.

You adapt words to women by quoting Goethe, Byron, Keats or another poet. Intelligence can be applied in many areas including the pursuit of a quality member of the fairer sex, not someone a person picks up after the person paid for the woman in question to drink them pretty and their personality bearable.

As for the quality player issue, I find that playing with quality players against quality players is much more conducive towards my enjoyment. The reason for this is that overcoming a challenge triggers reward mechanisms in my brain, whereas stealing candy from a baby does not.
FYI, it’s not “elitist” to expect people to be competent at a task to which they have dedicated hundreds of hours.
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JaySwfit
12.15.2011 , 12:18 PM | #24
Whats this? Trolls getting fed in broad daylight on a forum for an MMO? I never thought I'd see the day :V

Hows this for a thought; Either he's a troll, and therefore not worth responding to, or a complete idiot, and therefore not worth responding to.

Win/win, no?

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Mourngrymm
12.15.2011 , 12:24 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Zergxiu View Post
As a fan of single player im apalled by premade raiding groups being able to clear pve content quicker then i can do in pug groups.

Blizz please fix!!!
I'm pretty sure they actually took care of your concern by nerfing the living **** out of all their PVE content right after BC...

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Skiveron
12.15.2011 , 12:33 PM | #26
/Yawn, PvP'ers who just wants to run premade and stomp pubs are just wannabe posers who think they are cool and skilled. Same thing happened in WoW and HoN, as soon as they start doing arenas or rated BGs or ranked game they are usually put into their rightful low rating place.

As a PvP'er I would rather be queue'ed against the best premade in my server then a pug 100% of the time, even if I am very close to a PvP reward.

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Hatham
12.15.2011 , 12:48 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Scelerant View Post
I find it quite funny that everyone who has had something negative to say about my posts have failed magnificently at using the quote function. It's square bracket quote square bracket to start a quote, square bracket backslash quote square bracket to end one.

You adapt words to women by quoting Goethe, Byron, Keats or another poet. Intelligence can be applied in many areas including the pursuit of a quality member of the fairer sex, not someone a person picks up after the person paid for the woman in question to drink them pretty and their personality bearable.

As for the quality player issue, I find that playing with quality players against quality players is much more conducive towards my enjoyment. The reason for this is that overcoming a challenge triggers reward mechanisms in my brain, whereas stealing candy from a baby does not.
I would tend to agree with you here. Most people in this thread seem to have missed why the comparison of group pve to group pvp doesn't work. To those people, I would say that group pve isn't a competition between players. If one guild raids something faster than others, it doesn't matter to the slower group because they aren't in direct competition (simply bragging rights I imagine.) However, in pvp, players are in direct competition and this affects their enjoyment of the game. All of that said, I feel that grouping should be rewarded, so I'd like to see a few things added to support that. My ideal system would work something like this:

1. More money, exp, valor, and tokens for group vs. group pvp - This seems fairly reasonable to me. While pve and pvp aren't directly analogous, most MMOs reward the effort it takes to group up, and I agree with that kind of system.

2. Preferential Group vs. Group placement - If people queue as a group, the game should make every effort to place them against another group.

3. Cross-server queues - This might already be in, but I'm not sure about that (didn't seem like in the few matches I played yesterday.) This would make preferential matching much much easier on the system, ensuring that pugs vs. group +pugs wouldn't happen that often.

I feel like these 3 things would be massively helpful, and they accomplish the goals of encouraging grouping without frustrating the solo player.