Melanie Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 I just came out of a Black Talon run, and it was me, an assassin, and three sorcerers. We had one guy who needed everything, granted i did eventually boot him, but it was til after he needed and won a sabra staff that would have been a nice big upgrade for me. I think the loot system needs to be smarter. I shouldn't be able to roll need on something i can never use. I wonder if it's possible to fine tune that at all. It's a little ridiculous that anyone can need anything that the OTHER AC can need. At least until we can respec our ACS this needs to be changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeRgE Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Bump............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisftw Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 I just came out of a Black Talon run, and it was me, an assassin, and three sorcerers. We had one guy who needed everything, granted i did eventually boot him, but it was til after he needed and won a sabra staff that would have been a nice big upgrade for me. I think the loot system needs to be smarter. I shouldn't be able to roll need on something i can never use. I wonder if it's possible to fine tune that at all. It's a little ridiculous that anyone can need anything that the OTHER AC can need. At least until we can respec our ACS this needs to be changed. so you're saying EACH TIME he won? i say lies. that's statistically impossible although plausible. however i've NEVER seen anybody win 3 rolls in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatoldguy Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 I just came out of a Black Talon run, and it was me, an assassin, and three sorcerers. We had one guy who needed everything, granted i did eventually boot him, but it was til after he needed and won a sabra staff that would have been a nice big upgrade for me. I think the loot system needs to be smarter. I shouldn't be able to roll need on something i can never use. I wonder if it's possible to fine tune that at all. It's a little ridiculous that anyone can need anything that the OTHER AC can need. At least until we can respec our ACS this needs to be changed. While I understand your frustration, I was getting quest rewards that were equal in all stats to the stuff that drops in there during beta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munx Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) This is a big problem sadly, Its a shame they didnt innovate theyr loot system. Should have been like this. Need: Only if stats match your subclass. (locked) N Comp: Need for Companion. Greed: Pass: Sadly I doubt we will see a system like this anytime soon, just black list ninjas, and make sure not to group with them in future. Edit: chris you trolling? I've seen players win rolls up to 10 times in a row.. Edited December 15, 2011 by Munx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airwren Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) I just came out of a Black Talon run, and it was me, an assassin, and three sorcerers. We had one guy who needed everything, granted i did eventually boot him, but it was til after he needed and won a sabra staff that would have been a nice big upgrade for me. I think the loot system needs to be smarter. I shouldn't be able to roll need on something i can never use. I wonder if it's possible to fine tune that at all. It's a little ridiculous that anyone can need anything that the OTHER AC can need. At least until we can respec our ACS this needs to be changed. But I'm going to try and give you an honest response. It's tough to tweak the need/greed/master loot systems unless gear is specified for a certain class only by the devs, and then only that class can roll for it. Unfortunately, because of the mod system in game it makes this even harder to do in SWTOR if an item is moddable. (Because another class "may" be able to mod it and make it useful) That said, and I'm not trying to be a ****** cause I'm sure it's going to happen to me too, is try to get folks to agree to a master loot system the first time someone need rolls something they obviously cannot use. If they don't agree on it, leave and start over. Deleted first line due to unintended snarky tone. sorry bout that hehe Edited December 15, 2011 by Airwren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lasica Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 It's a 2-man flashpoint. Don't take 4 people, take 2 + companions. It's quicker and you guarantee loot drops for those 2 classes. Yes a 2-man flashpoint is quicker with 2 people than 4 because they scale based on the number of players. 4-man is significantly harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorill Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 This is what you should expect in pug runs. Good news is black talon equipment can be replaced in the not so distant future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lasica Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 This is what you should expect in pug runs. Good news is black talon equipment can be replaced in the not so distant future. And you can also buy most of it from the commendation vendor using your homeworld commendations, well the weapons at least I think the robes are still drop only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boobaffet Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) how dare you complain about the game this forum is for people complaining they cant get in game yet Edited December 15, 2011 by boobaffet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshalleck Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 OP are you saying you had 5 people in a flashpoint? I think this thread is a fabrication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReiperX Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 so you're saying EACH TIME he won? i say lies. that's statistically impossible although plausible. however i've NEVER seen anybody win 3 rolls in a row. I've seen it. It's not normal but it does happen. Now 8/8 isn't very likely but 3/3 isn't a big stretch. But I do agree with the OP that you should not be able to roll need on an item that you cannot use. Preferably the rolls would be: self need, companion need, greed, pass (reverse engineer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakeman Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Gotta agree with Fatoldguy on this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxJenike Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 I just came out of a Black Talon run, and it was me, an assassin, and three sorcerers. We had one guy who needed everything, granted i did eventually boot him, but it was til after he needed and won a sabra staff that would have been a nice big upgrade for me. I think the loot system needs to be smarter. I shouldn't be able to roll need on something i can never use. I wonder if it's possible to fine tune that at all. It's a little ridiculous that anyone can need anything that the OTHER AC can need. At least until we can respec our ACS this needs to be changed. It's possible he didn't even know he was NEEDING on the stuff. Seriously when the loot dialog comes up its 3 buttons.. NONE say NEED, GREED, or CANCEL.. They all have funky icons and the first few times I ran dungeons I just hit the first button without knowing it was a NEED roll. When I figured it out I gave the loot to who needed it but this is going to be a big problem because the first button is the NEED... then the GREED, then the CANCEL button... all have different icons so its up to the players to figure them out!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReiperX Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 OP are you saying you had 5 people in a flashpoint? I think this thread is a fabrication. (s)he said: me, an assassin, and three sorcerers. an assassin describes me. It's called proper sentence structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyzall Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 so you're saying EACH TIME he won? i say lies. that's statistically impossible although plausible. however i've NEVER seen anybody win 3 rolls in a row. Statistically improbable* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konow Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 so you're saying EACH TIME he won? i say lies. that's statistically impossible although plausible. however i've NEVER seen anybody win 3 rolls in a row. 10 rolls in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshalleck Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (s)he said: me, an assassin, and three sorcerers. an assassin describes me. It's called proper sentence structure. It's not proper, but I'm not going to argue grammar. It sounded like 1. me 2. assassin 3-5: sorcerers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadeblunts Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 I'm playing my IA and am grouped with a BH. He rolls need on a rifle I need and wins. Why is that possible? BH can never use rifle, like I can never use pistol... should not even be an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JogelBolla Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 so you're saying EACH TIME he won? i say lies. that's statistically impossible although plausible. however i've NEVER seen anybody win 3 rolls in a row. it isnt that unbelievable. personally ive won plenty of greens in wow dungeons one right after the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x_ares_x Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 so you're saying EACH TIME he won? i say lies. that's statistically impossible although plausible. however i've NEVER seen anybody win 3 rolls in a row. She never said each time he won, just that he was needing on everything and won an item she could have used. I agree with her, it IS annoying to actually need an item and have it swiped or potentially swiped out from under you so some moron can sell it for cash. Please, before you call someone a liar, read and understand what they're saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatoldguy Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 I'm playing my IA and am grouped with a BH. He rolls need on a rifle I need and wins. Why is that possible? BH can never use rifle, like I can never use pistol... should not even be an option. Love the signature LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_The_Wall Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 It's possible he didn't even know he was NEEDING on the stuff. Seriously when the loot dialog comes up its 3 buttons.. NONE say NEED, GREED, or CANCEL.. They all have funky icons and the first few times I ran dungeons I just hit the first button without knowing it was a NEED roll. When I figured it out I gave the loot to who needed it but this is going to be a big problem because the first button is the NEED... then the GREED, then the CANCEL button... all have different icons so its up to the players to figure them out!!!! Max, thanks for this little tidbit of very useful info. /patiently waiting for an 11/30 Redemption Code EGA invite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckmoth Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 The first time I grouped in beta, I kept needing on things I didn't mean to. I can't remember what the icons look like or how they're positioned, but something about the way it was set up had me consistently hitting need when I didn't intend to, and I like to think that I'm not a complete moron. (It's entirely possible that I was so excited to finally be playing that I was just not paying any attention at all.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayin Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 This is what the loot master option is for. Use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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