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Satele useless with lightsaber?

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BrianDavion
03.24.2015 , 07:19 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Quething View Post
You forgot the part where if you do beat a Sith it was total crap handed to you by a writer who gave you totally unrealistic Mary Sue powers that don't make any sense because you totally should have lost that fight.
there are some people who just think Sith must be more powerful. nevermind that we see plenty of on screen evidance of Jedi taking on sith and winning

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Zoom_VI
03.24.2015 , 10:51 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by SaveTheMonkeys View Post
For the same reason the troopers (Havoc squad?) abandoned the high ground to charge a mess of sith and battle droids - it's cinematic.
High ground is only useful for defensive tactics. If you are trying to press a attack you invariably must advance.

Also the tactics employed in the Hope trailer while excessively glorified and stylized, are very similar to the rapid localized infantry attacks that the German Army employed extensively (and with great success) in WWII.
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MoskitoMando
03.24.2015 , 11:21 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by zzoorrzz View Post
She basically lost both her fights with Malgus in cinematics and needed somebody to help her there.

Is there any situation in the game when we see her fight again? And if so, how does that work out?
I don't think Satele is bad with a lightsaber, I'd say she's probably pretty good with it compared to the entire galaxy of Jedi and Sith, but Malgus is one of the best of his era, Satele's strength is definitely in the Force, however in a one on one I DO think Malgus would win, both times we've seen them fight Satele's been saved from a killing blow by someone else (Kao and Jace).
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SaveTheMonkeys
03.25.2015 , 12:00 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Zoom_VI View Post
High ground is only useful for defensive tactics. If you are trying to press a attack you invariably must advance.

Also the tactics employed in the Hope trailer while excessively glorified and stylized, are very similar to the rapid localized infantry attacks that the German Army employed extensively (and with great success) in WWII.
Interesting point, though I still think holding that ground a little while longer would've made good sense

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Rabenschwinge
03.25.2015 , 04:08 AM | #25
Isn't a bit exaggerated to say that she was "useless" just because she lost a fight against Darth Malgus? From the looks of it she did put up quite a fight. And she lost. How many PvPers are in this game who never lost a fight?

When it comes to lightsaber combat, I must admit I dislike all too serious considerations regarding realism. Yes, realistically seen a double blade lightsaber is not a very efficient weapon because the second blade is more of a hindrance to the wielder than a threat to their opponent, and the only advantage you get for that is that the center of mass is in the center of the weapon, which makes it easier to spin it. You can give it torque and it will stay in place. In effect you can produce an insane apparent velocity, but only a limited real one and you constantly need to move around your own weapon.

However, this is Star Wars. If it had been good for the story that she beat Malgus, she would have. Regardless of what kind of lightsaber she wields.

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Zoom_VI
03.25.2015 , 07:02 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by SaveTheMonkeys View Post
Interesting point, though I still think holding that ground a little while longer would've made good sense
Nope, you want to push immediately. Delay allows the enemy time to reform and regroup to address the suddenly appeared threat. By instantly jumping down and pushing forward it allows then to push the attack before the imperials have even gotten their bearings.
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Rhyltran
03.25.2015 , 12:12 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Kilikaa View Post
Zannah's skill is defensive fighting. That is how Bane trained her and why her saberstaff is actually shorter then most others. This takes advantage of her size. She was a disadvantage in that battle with the Jedi, not because of the size differance, but because he was being aided by a Jedi master using Battle Meditation. When Bane went after that Jedi one of his other comrades pushed him out of the way, interrupting his Meditaion. That is when Zannah's opponent seemed to become distacted.

When Zannah was hunting Bane he easily beat her and got away because he lured her into going on the offensive, taking her right out of her comfort zone. In the final battle Bane had a hard time with Zannah because she was on the denfensive building her power to unleash her sorcery. That was her strength, defensive saber fighting while using her sorcery skills for offensive fighting.
Even so when she started using the dark tendrils he had no problem leaping in and effortlessly disarmed her and sweeped her leg out from under her. As she fell she countered with the tendrils taking his arm before he could kill her. Her sorcery won. Her skill with a blade was no match for Bane. In the final battle she did her best to keep him away from her.

That being said many people are forgetting she effortlessly cut through several Sith before engaging Malgus. Being weaker than one person =/= Being weak. This logic implies that you have to be the best. Anyone lower than the best is weak. Must Jedi and Sith would stand no chance against Satele. It doesn't matter if the contest is with a lightsaber or the force.

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SaveTheMonkeys
03.25.2015 , 03:39 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Zoom_VI View Post
Nope, you want to push immediately. Delay allows the enemy time to reform and regroup to address the suddenly appeared threat. By instantly jumping down and pushing forward it allows then to push the attack before the imperials have even gotten their bearings.
You sound like you know what you're talking about, so I'll happily concede the point. Its not like the lack of "realism" bothered me, anyway

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Celise
03.30.2015 , 12:37 AM | #29
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Interesting point, though I still think holding that ground a little while longer would've made good sense
You hold the high ground too long it becomes a liability, if you give your enemy the chance to recover, they can surround you and suddenly your high ground is a massacre in the making with no way out. the best time to attack is when the enemy is unprepared, that way you hold the high ground all the way out.

Malgus had the high ground the whole way in both fights until he held it a little while longer then he should on alderaan and was being attacked by two enemies who surrounded him. for his trouble he is left needing a respirator mask for the rest of his days.

Satele isn't the most physical presense on the battlefield, but as others stated, her strength lies elsewhere. to me it's in her agility, not her brute strength which Malgus had plenty of until Jace came back at him with a grenade, but unlike Satele, Jace thought ahead and knew his task is impossible unless he did something different to have a fair chance at it.

On the other hand though Satele's training was interrupted when the sith attacked the station she was on with her master while escorting a artifact smuggler for questioning. so i am guessing at this point that she had only recently got enough training for combat, but not enough to adequately learn how to use her weapon and her own agility along with the force to her greatest ability, but it's not like her master was that great in combat either when he made the mistake of underestimating Malgus. But Jedi are not combatants, they are keepers of peace and the lightsaber is usually a ceremonial fuction upto that point, a symbol.

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MasterTenebrous
03.30.2015 , 04:38 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Celise View Post
On the other hand though Satele's training was interrupted when the sith attacked the station she was on with her master while escorting a artifact smuggler for questioning. so i am guessing at this point that she had only recently got enough training for combat, but not enough to adequately learn how to use her weapon and her own agility along with the force to her greatest ability, but it's not like her master was that great in combat either when he made the mistake of underestimating Malgus. But Jedi are not combatants, they are keepers of peace and the lightsaber is usually a ceremonial fuction upto that point, a symbol.



Her master was the jedi battlemaster so he was about as good in combat as the jedi had.