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New Player Warning: Class DPS is severely gimped right now.

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New Player Warning: Class DPS is severely gimped right now.

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verfallen
03.31.2017 , 03:03 PM | #11
So in your opinion force classes should roll the non-force ones Doesn't feel very balanced :P

I'm all for buffing sorc to bring them more in line with other classes, but I'm not for having them roll everyone like mercs.

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DocGamer
06.18.2018 , 10:52 PM | #12
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This is a warning to new players that would make the mistake of rolling this class as DPS with the expectation of playing end game content.

You will find when you get there that you do about 15% less damage than most other classes, and will be targeted/focused in most PVP activity first.

You will be asked if you are TROLLING just by showing up in a ranked match, so be ready for that.

As for PVE, you will often be skipped over when trying to get into a PUG operations group, because hey...why take in someone that does 15% less damage?

This is just a friendly warning to the new players...go make a FOTM class and enjoy the game, rather than suffer the heartburn from this massively NERFED class.
1 year and 3 months later, has anything changed? Do folks want DPs sorcs in their OPS groups? Can dps sorcs hold their own in PVP? did they finally nerf those MERC DCD's? Where is everyone??? Only 19 threads in the SAGE/SORC forums dating back over 3 months!!

Oh my...guess yall took my advice.
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WayOfTheWarriorx
06.18.2018 , 11:46 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by DocGamer View Post
1 year and 3 months later, has anything changed? Do folks want DPs sorcs in their OPS groups? Can dps sorcs hold their own in PVP? did they finally nerf those MERC DCD's? Where is everyone??? Only 19 threads in the SAGE/SORC forums dating back over 3 months!!

Oh my...guess yall took my advice.
I get what your saying and all and I agree to certain extent, but you can't expect them to buff their DPS to high levels when they are healing 1 mill + sometimes. I would like to see Sorcs get their turn at being the top RDPS, but they have to be very careful how much they buff their DPS because the second people start feeling they have APEX level DPS and can heal 1 mill + in WZs you might find yourself not only inherting the top level rDPS place by also the hatred people have for mercs and snipers and you know how people are, they will be screaming for nerfs.

As far as the Merc and Sniper DCDs you got tons of support, everyone who doesn't play them sees them for what they are and are resentful.

I'll be honest with you, don't get your hopes up for APEX level DPS because that's not gonna happen for a number of reasons, but that doesn;'t mean you can't find yourself improved and I think you will find that, I really do. But there is a small catch to that, it's not gonna happen before 6.0.

Nothing can save this meta and the strategy they are using for "class balance". It's inherently flawed and cannot lead to class balance. So it will requite a change in strategy to see any significant head way made in class balance. New metas always are kinda a restart and classes get switched around on the DPS chart so that's probably what we're all going to have to wait for to see any real meaningful improvement in class balance.

Bare one more thing in mind, there are many specs of many classes that got the hell nerfed out of them throughout 5.x and Sorc wasn't the one most nerfed, madness got a buff actually, so there are a lot of people in many different classes that feel very wronged right now. [PTs for example] and individual specs on some classes that other wise are considered good save for one spec. Devs are going to be under a lot of pressure to try to make amends to the player base in 6.0 because they know there are a lot of very upself people right now pissed at what class balance has become and they don't want to lose more players than they already have so they are going to be considering lots of different classes and specs to adjust. If they don't revert to earlier methods of class balance [like 4.0 for example which was a decent time I think, though some may disagree] things wont improve in the next meta. I do think they will change the paradim through which they examine class balance through so there is some hope I think.

Everyone cares about their favored classes and they are all going to want a piece of the pie in terms of the aggrieved so it won't be just as simple as saying "but we are the worst!", its business to them, and they want to keep as many customers happy as they can so they have give all of them some consideration. That whole needs of the many vs the few thingy.

Lastly, sorcs no longer have the worst DPS in the game anymore. Aresenal Marcs and Marksmen Snipers do now. They are Ranked 18 and 17 on the DPS chart now, and regarding sorcs, Lightning is Ranked at 16 and Madness is at 15 now.

Naturally they have a much better QOL over all compared to sorcs, or anyone else for that matter heh. I'm just talken DPS strength.

I wouldn't worry too much, I think you'll be in a better place come 6.0, I really do. Before than, get comfy, nothing gonna change much for any of us at this point in the meta, that ship has sailed and there is no saving this meta.

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Eloi_BG
06.19.2018 , 10:05 AM | #14
This thread is sad and retarded. I really hope it doesn't prevent new players from playing sorcs. Are sorc DPS is a great place DPS wise? Not really. Are they 15% behind everyone else? Not at all. I know this is a year old thread but by bumping it yourself you kinda make it as if it was still relevant (not that it ever really was, but yeah there was a time where sorc DPS was lower comparatively, but then everything got nerfed...)

I see a few people on forums saying they can't get into groups because they DPS on a sorc. This is bullsh*t. Most of the time you guys are talking about story mode, in which class balance it not relevant at all, because the DPS checks could be done with a group of 6 tanks 2 healers. 95% of the people that run story modes don't play their class optimally at all, which is ok, that's what SM is for. I have never seen anyone refused a group spot because of class. It may have happened to you, but it's probably not because for your class and for other reasons. I mean a lvl 55 sorc in 198 gear rating can do the SM DPS checks and survive cause of bolster.

If this is about harder content (HM/NiM), then it's a L2P issue. Is playing a sorc in NiM slightly harder than, let's say a sniper? Yes. Do you have to be the best sorc in the world to pull your weight? No. Yes madness could use a small buff to get closer to merc IO and viru sniper, but in no way this class is unable to compete.
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Eloi_BG
06.19.2018 , 10:08 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by DocGamer View Post
1 year and 3 months later, has anything changed? Do folks want DPs sorcs in their OPS groups? Can dps sorcs hold their own in PVP? did they finally nerf those MERC DCD's? Where is everyone??? Only 19 threads in the SAGE/SORC forums dating back over 3 months!!

Oh my...guess yall took my advice.
On that note, look at any other class subforum. It's about the same everywhere. It's not a sorc issue, it's a game issue. Community is not as big as it was...
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WayOfTheWarriorx
06.19.2018 , 02:46 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Eloi_BG View Post
This thread is sad and retarded. I really hope it doesn't prevent new players from playing sorcs. Are sorc DPS is a great place DPS wise? Not really. Are they 15% behind everyone else? Not at all. I know this is a year old thread but by bumping it yourself you kinda make it as if it was still relevant (not that it ever really was, but yeah there was a time where sorc DPS was lower comparatively, but then everything got nerfed...)

I see a few people on forums saying they can't get into groups because they DPS on a sorc. This is bullsh*t. Most of the time you guys are talking about story mode, in which class balance it not relevant at all, because the DPS checks could be done with a group of 6 tanks 2 healers. 95% of the people that run story modes don't play their class optimally at all, which is ok, that's what SM is for. I have never seen anyone refused a group spot because of class. It may have happened to you, but it's probably not because for your class and for other reasons. I mean a lvl 55 sorc in 198 gear rating can do the SM DPS checks and survive cause of bolster.

If this is about harder content (HM/NiM), then it's a L2P issue. Is playing a sorc in NiM slightly harder than, let's say a sniper? Yes. Do you have to be the best sorc in the world to pull your weight? No. Yes madness could use a small buff to get closer to merc IO and viru sniper, but in no way this class is unable to compete.
While I tend to agree with you pretty much across the board it would be unfair to say they have as amenable a time in PVP/PVP Ranked as they do in PVE with the exception of HM/NiM. Even with regard to HM/NiM. they are viable but they may have more of an uphill battle at times, they are certainly capable of doing any content if the player is sufficiently skilled.

Sorcs aren't squishy anymore and their mobility is insanely good, but lets not forget something, Madness like all the specs may have taken a small nerf to their heals but they did get a DPS buff in mid 5.x. In a meta that has same many specs taking far more nerfs than they. But even with the heals nerf, they can do insane amounts of healing for DPS, reaching a million + in WZs sometimes which is absoutely insane for a DPS spec.

I think that's why they need to be careful how they tweek Sorcs because the second people start seeing upper tier DPS on specs doing a mill + healing the nerf bats wont be far off. I do believe that their is stigma attached to them that isn't wholey deserved anymore. I think people see them through "old eyes", victim's eyes.

I'm not saying they might not need a tweek or two, but nothing major would be necessary. Even many sorc players have said they want any improvements to be carefully made and not overdone because it wouldn't take much to have them OP again like in earlier metas. It can't have top tier DPS and it shouldn't quite honestly, melee have to have DPS on them due to uptime differences between melee and ranged and mechanics that effect them differently.

Simply put, ranged have it easier than Melee and 5.x has been ranged dominated since day one.

Again, I'm not saying that Lighting can't use a tweek or two, but it has be carefully done and in moderation because players hate on "OP" classes and than they get no respect and that can be even harder on them because they feel wronged after having been weaker and that makes them feel entitled to be "OP" because it's "thier turn". No one deserves to be OP no matter how bad they have been in the past. Simply put moderation in all things. Better to start slow and make further adjustments there after if needed because once a spec is perceived to have been given 'too much', right or wrong, people will scream for nerfs and getting nerfed sucks because you know your in for it for a good long while.

I wouldn't want to be a Merc or a Sniper in this meta and even more so in the next meta because people will be out for revenge against them.

I wouldn't mind seeing Sorcs top RDPS in the next meta over all, but that still should be behind melee DPS.

I love sorcs, I don't play them but I love them, say what you will about them, but as far as I am concerned, you can't ask for a better ally to ride shotgun with you than a Sorc. I would take a sorc over any other class to ally up with. They're just so damn useful and have great utility. I can't tell you how many times as a Marauder a Sorc has saved my *** by a well placed pull when I was either too stupid to see a danger or just too caught up in the battle haze to care heh. A good sorc is a great thing to have at your side. Love em.
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Zemblanity
06.20.2018 , 06:57 AM | #17
Bioware should *sticky* this thread.

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DarthCognusSion
06.20.2018 , 10:17 PM | #18
Just to remind those who complain about Sorc dps not being viable...

4 Sorc DPS NiM Brontes

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WayOfTheWarriorx
06.21.2018 , 04:03 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthCognusSion View Post
Just to remind those who complain about Sorc dps not being viable...

4 Sorc DPS NiM Brontes
I saw that already heh unreal. Nice work!
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Labranth
06.22.2018 , 06:22 AM | #20
If only there was a time machine and I teleported back to 2012 and didn't pick sorc as my main. Oh geez, the only viable spec (let's be honest) in team ranked is Corruption. Madness and Lightning are so in the bottom right now, that it's just sad. BW just ruined Sorc dps.
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