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Critical crystals will become the new BiS?

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TrixxieTriss
10.09.2019 , 06:14 PM | #1
With the mastery and power lvl cap in lower content, it would seem to me that critical crystals will become the new BiS Or am I misreading this?

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dipstik
10.09.2019 , 08:50 PM | #2
they have been bis since 4.0 or something

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TrixxieTriss
10.10.2019 , 02:45 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by dipstik View Post
they have been bis since 4.0 or something
Not for pvp. Mastery has mostly been BiS

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MasterRummy
10.10.2019 , 05:01 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by TrixxieTriss View Post
Not for pvp. Mastery has mostly been BiS
Mastery has always had its ups and downs sadly as its only based on melee crit, which most classes even warrior classes now stay far away from those moves.

I have always run with crit or power, unless I was tanking then run endurance....

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TrixxieTriss
10.10.2019 , 05:29 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by MasterRummy View Post
Mastery has always had its ups and downs sadly as its only based on melee crit, which most classes even warrior classes now stay far away from those moves.

I have always run with crit or power, unless I was tanking then run endurance....
I used to run power until 5.0, then the theory crafters did their thing and said mastery was BiS in most cases. So I’ve been sticking with that until 6.0 pts which shows crit to be much better than either power or mastery due to how they’ve adjusted lvl sync.

I’m yet to see how this will translate for pvp, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the same considering Bolster will only affect mastery, power and endurance and not secondary stats

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Medullah
10.11.2019 , 12:11 PM | #6
I mean, the crystals are still +41 of whatever stat. As the expansions keep coming in and the gear pools get bigger and bigger, +41 is less and less of an impact so you'll likely be able to just use what you like the color of.

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Anysao
10.12.2019 , 08:47 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Medullah View Post
I mean, the crystals are still +41 of whatever stat. As the expansions keep coming in and the gear pools get bigger and bigger, +41 is less and less of an impact so you'll likely be able to just use what you like the color of.
If I remember correctly (and I’m thinking back to circa 2013 here), a Dev said that he regretted putting any stats on crystals. Apparently, past +41 and they get difficult to balance. So the solution was to keep 41 at the limit perpetually because it was pretty negligible (but not enough so to remove the stats on the crystals altogether).
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dipstik
10.14.2019 , 12:20 PM | #8
there is no mastery crystal (edit: i am wrong). i think mastery is better than crit once you get to 2000 crit or something... for pve

these are the numbers i get for simple dps model assuming 110 accuracy and 703 alacrity

base crit mas surge
1500 2124 7720 0
2000 2250 7594 0
2500 2364 7480 0
1500 2184 7660 0.1
2000 2307 7537 0.1
2500 2418 7426 0.1

for 6.0 at 1.3 gcd and 110 acc, i am seeing a 9 dps decrease if using as power crystal instead of crit (18 if using two power crystals)... this is at 1415 crit and 3206 alacrity

for 1214 alacrity we get 3407 crit. now when exchanging 82 crit for 82 power, it is only a 0.55 dps loss for using power crystals.

this is for an average hit of 2546.... you can see similar discussion here: https://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=965720

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CaptRogue
10.14.2019 , 12:45 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by dipstik View Post
there is no mastery crystal. i think mastery is better than crit once you get to 2000 crit or something... for pve

these are the numbers i get for simple dps model assuming 110 accuracy and 703 alacrity

base crit mas surge
1500 2124 7720 0
2000 2250 7594 0
2500 2364 7480 0
1500 2184 7660 0.1
2000 2307 7537 0.1
2500 2418 7426 0.1
Well seeing as you have no idea that there is in fact Mastery Crystals, how in the world do you expect anyone to believe your "theory crafting" numbers??

War Hero = Mastery
Eviscerating = Crit
Hawkeye = Power
Indestructible = Endurance (tank only)
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dipstik
10.14.2019 , 01:33 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by CaptRogue View Post
Well seeing as you have no idea that there is in fact Mastery Crystals, how in the world do you expect anyone to believe your "theory crafting" numbers??

War Hero = Mastery
Eviscerating = Crit
Hawkeye = Power
Indestructible = Endurance (tank only)


i dont pvp... thought they were still expertise trash... thanks for the info
im not asking for anyone to believe me. everyone should derive numbers with their own assumptions built into the math.

3206 al
crit 11960.35
mas 11942.66
pow 11942.63


1214 ala
crit 11929.02
mas 11928.68
pow 11928.41

looks like crit is still better in all instances... if you change the accuracy assumptions this could change, since you would free up around 600 points. seems likely mastery might be better than crit around 3800 crit or so...

edit. with 97% acc and 1.4 gcd crit is still better (3468 crit):

crit 11759.02593
mas 11758.68879
pow 11758.53962

at 1.4 s gcd you will want 5 mastery more than the lowest you can have (negligible), and crit will only get better with higher surge and crit buffs to abilities in the rotation... so i would suggest crit unless you just want high burst and/or you have auto crit machnics in your rotation. if you have 97% accuracy (1000 rating) you will want to have 528 more mastery than minimum:
mastery 11087.6843
power rating 9909
crit rating 3468.32
surge rating 3468.32
accuracy rating 1000
alacrity rating 1214
force/tech power 7008

crystal info:
crit 11759.02633
mas 11758.69588
pow 11758.54651

so mastery is still better than power at this point (and remember the more abilities you have with buffed crit/surge, the better mastery will be than these numbers)

with no accuracy (i think i heard thats a thing in ranked or soemthing..)
mastery 11975.57489
power rating 9909
crit rating 3580.43
surge rating 3580.43
accuracy rating 0
alacrity rating 1214

and looking into crystals again at 0 accuracy:
crit 11330.70931
mas 11330.41093
pow 11330.44095

so power is better than mastery, which means the 9909 power can likely be increased by sacrificing mastery (assuming none of your abilities have crit or surge increaser passives). neither power nor mastery are better than crit though...



if you have 1.3 gcd you will want minimum mastery