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Premades for galactic should be removed, also racks like pvp.

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Premades for galactic should be removed, also racks like pvp.

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Gavin_Kelvar
10.31.2015 , 10:40 AM | #11
I kinda feel that while it wouldn't solve the poor queue pop issues if they at least gave everyone equal priority (thus no queue priority for groups) we might get better matches with what we have. At least it's my understanding that GSF matchmaker prioritizes groups over match balance and tries to cobble together a balanced match only after adding a group to a match. (You'd still have the whole timer thing in place so groups would still get pops, they just might have to wait longer than they're used to if the devs did away with group queue priority).

The system probably would've worked fine with high queue populations but with our current low populations it probably just makes balanced matchmaking worse not better since it has to focus on group queue priority over balance.
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MaximilianPower
10.31.2015 , 10:52 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Gavin_Kelvar View Post
I kinda feel that while it wouldn't solve the poor queue pop issues if they at least gave everyone equal priority (thus no queue priority for groups) we might get better matches with what we have. At least it's my understanding that GSF matchmaker prioritizes groups over match balance and tries to cobble together a balanced match only after adding a group to a match. (You'd still have the whole timer thing in place so groups would still get pops, they just might have to wait longer than they're used to if the devs did away with group queue priority).

The system probably would've worked fine with high queue populations but with our current low populations it probably just makes balanced matchmaking worse not better since it has to focus on group queue priority over balance.
Yeah, I don't know either, but it's interesting idea. By the way, matchmaker priority works like this (per one of Drak's posts):

1) groups
2) people with more mastered ships on their bar
3) everyone else

Personally, whenever I queue on either of two JC mains (the ones with five mastered ships on the bar at all times) - I can't buy a pop unless I'm in a group. If I'm solo, I get passed over and over. This is largely why I GSF on other toons these days. When I roll a new alt, pops are considerably more frequent.

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Drakkolich
10.31.2015 , 11:52 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by MaximilianPower View Post
Yeah, I don't know either, but it's interesting idea. By the way, matchmaker priority works like this (per one of Drak's posts):

1) groups
2) people with more mastered ships on their bar
3) everyone else

Personally, whenever I queue on either of two JC mains (the ones with five mastered ships on the bar at all times) - I can't buy a pop unless I'm in a group. If I'm solo, I get passed over and over. This is largely why I GSF on other toons these days. When I roll a new alt, pops are considerably more frequent.
Woah not sure when I said that Max but not quite.

Matchmaker prioritizes groups over solo players for sure we know that.

However the developers told us the 3 characteristics that it looks for in to try to balance teams.

1: It looks at total games played on that character (not legacy)
2: It looks at the ship on your loadout bar with the highest requisition. (mastered being considered the maximum)
3: It looks at how long you've been in queue. (because they don't want you waiting for forever)


This is why when someone with a high games count and atleast one mastered ship queue's solo it takes forever to get in a game, because there usually isn't anyone else for the game to match you against.
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MaximilianPower
10.31.2015 , 01:12 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Drakkolich View Post
Woah not sure when I said that Max but not quite.

Matchmaker prioritizes groups over solo players for sure we know that.

However the developers told us the 3 characteristics that it looks for in to try to balance teams.

1: It looks at total games played on that character (not legacy)
2: It looks at the ship on your loadout bar with the highest requisition. (mastered being considered the maximum)
3: It looks at how long you've been in queue. (because they don't want you waiting for forever)


This is why when someone with a high games count and atleast one mastered ship queue's solo it takes forever to get in a game, because there usually isn't anyone else for the game to match you against.
OK, thanks for clarifying. Re: #2...are we certain the number of mastered ships has no impact on queue priority? If not, this seems to be a common misconception. I've seen several folks suggest removing some mastered ships from one's bar and re-queueing in an effort to get a pop. That idea may not have started with you (and apologies since I misattributed it as such) but it's definitely floating around out there.

Time in queue, yes, this seems obvious and I figured that went without saying.

But I did totally neglect to mention the item about games played on that character. It's a key point, and also helps explain why I can't get any pops on my aforementioned mains.

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DakhathKilrathi
10.31.2015 , 01:54 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by MaximilianPower View Post
@OP - the short answer to your question, as has already been stated: a lot of us would love ranked GSF. But the GSF population simply isn't large enough to support it, let alone regularly put together even matches. Matchmaker just has very little to work with. Since you're here: please let us try to help you. Ask questions. Tell us where you play, maybe we can get you into a group too (if you want).
I am 99% sure I know who this guy is. I ran into him on TEH yesterday while he was talking nonsense about how mastered ships are OP and advocating for 'racks' in ops chat. He was also dead weight on the team he was on, big surprise. (This is the other reason I'm pretty sure he's from my server, in light of some hate mail I got around the same time.) No matter what we say to him, it's not going to get through, and I don't have the patience to keep trying. Not in this particular case. He intentionally rolls new alts and flies stock ships, and he's honestly just not good enough to make that work. His frustration is largely his own doing, and having attempted to help him in the past, I no longer have any sympathy for him.

If you care to bother, I can give you his name via PM. But it's a waste of your time.

Edit: See his other wonderful contributions to the forums here and here. He posts a whine thread and never comes back to it.

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Drakkolich
10.31.2015 , 03:37 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by MaximilianPower View Post
OK, thanks for clarifying. Re: #2...are we certain the number of mastered ships has no impact on queue priority? If not, this seems to be a common misconception. I've seen several folks suggest removing some mastered ships from one's bar and re-queueing in an effort to get a pop. That idea may not have started with you (and apologies since I misattributed it as such) but it's definitely floating around out there.

Time in queue, yes, this seems obvious and I figured that went without saying.

But I did totally neglect to mention the item about games played on that character. It's a key point, and also helps explain why I can't get any pops on my aforementioned mains.
The way they phrased it when we asked them made it very much sound like it's your single highest ship on your loadout bar that is considered for highest requisition. Now they could have changed it since they told us that last year or perhaps we missunderstood. I don't have anything in writing I can link too since it was them talking about it on stream and answering our questions.

I will take a look through their old vods on their twitch channel and see if I can find it... wish me luck that is a lot of video to sort through...
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Drakkolich
10.31.2015 , 11:08 PM | #17
Alright so someone owes me a drink for this but I went back through about 10 hours of footage of the devs playing GSF on stream to find this one 2 minutes window where they talk about matchmaking. The phrasing they use on what ship or ships power the matchmaking uses is a lot more vague then I remember so there might be another instance where they talk about it but for now I'm done watching devs flying around in balanced power not able to kill anything.

Alright so at time stamp 9:55-12:00 they talk about GSF's matchmaking, here is the link enjoy!


*Side note watching myself and Anastasie beat the hell out of the devs was extremely entertaining. (As was us trying to protect them)
You can find the videos of us playing with and against them here and here. (The second link we play vs them much more then the first)
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DakhathKilrathi
11.01.2015 , 04:28 AM | #18
I've thought about this and I understand what the OP's complaint really is, I think. The issue for him is not that he runs into premades or anything. This is one of those guys that wants to play in the low tier bracket forever. I couldn't figure out why he constantly rerolls to put himself in stock ships again, but that has to be it; he does the same thing in ground PVP. (And that explains the whole "you're worse than level 29s in WZs" complaint in that hatemail.)

He wants to farm, but he doesn't want to be hindered by better players while he does so. Rather than actually learning how to play, he just wants to take advantage of players who have less experience than he does. Somehow, I've got even less sympathy for him than I had before.

With that out of the way, Drak, thanks for hunting down those videos. They actually answer this guy's complaint, too. Can't be bothered to check the timestamp, but in one of the two you linked at the end of your post they talk about how they aren't going to add any sort of bracket or restrict groups for a variety of reasons. And it's the right call.