As someone who served in the military, it aggravates me when I see cinematics/star wars films that use tactics the world hasn't used since the bow and arrow became obselete. The republic cinematic comes to mind, where the troopers fire a volley of shots from ambush and then get into Melee with a significant number of force users that specialise in that.

I mean they don't even need consultants, just common sense. Anyone else bugged by this and/or have specific examples?

I have only seen a handful of examples where true strategy and tactics made for good story telling, and that would be shows/movies where the plot revolves around those, such as Code Geass does. Unless the story revolves around that, usually it will not be good for a movie, let alone a trailer where people want to see action.

Does it make sense? Of course not, but it makes the trailer more exciting. Excitement makes the game more appealing to the majority, not common sense.

Hell, the jedi use swords in an age with hugely prevelent firearms and your biggest complaint is they use obsolete tactics????

Yes. The lore has shown again and again that Jedi are great force multipliers, and can significantly protect themselves and others from blaster fire. Sure they would be more effective using their powers with a blaster, but regardless they aren't invincible as shown by the massacre of the Jedi by clone troopers.

Small conflicts can be exciting and show a good storytelling element. Not only when the story revolves around it. I mean there are so many ways to show the same stuff you want, and have it be reasonable.

You want troopers going Melee? Round a corner and end up too close to the enemy to bring a rifle to bear, an emp or sith fry the soldiers rifles with lightning, etc. not just firing and running into the midst of the enemy like leroy Jenkins in order to get a close personal feel.

How does the real world military deal with energy shields and force powers? Is it covered in basic?

Read the lore (or play KOTOR). Melee weapons are coming back because there is tech that deflects blaster bolts and high speed projectials. This is the same "trick" used in almost every fantasy setting (dune, for example) so they can make combat look and sound cooler then it really is in a high tech world.

The cinematics are one thing. I was actually hoping that troopers could fight completely at range with their carbines. The beauty of space fantasy energy weapons comes from all the flashy stuff that proceeds out of the barrel when you pull the trigger. The longer we get to see the effects, the better.

One aspect of the trooper I was questioning was that, if the armor is so fantastic that it lets him fight in melee range (or stand in plane sight during a firefight), why not dispense with the carbine entirely and work with melee weapons? Plus, it kind of makes sense. We're talking about a universe where jedi can deflect energy blasts to the point of reaching melee combat, so soldiers would still have use for close quarters combat techniques like those used before the advent of gunpowder.

How does the real world military deal with energy shields and force powers? Is it covered in basic?

 

Read the lore (or play KOTOR). Melee weapons are coming back because there is tech that deflects blaster bolts and high speed projectials. This is the same "trick" used in almost every fantasy setting (dune, for example) so they can make combat look and sound cooler then it really is in a high tech world.

No, you're defending something that has a poor excuse. Republic commando is a good example of a game and lore that made combat more realistic and exciting. I'm not saying USE combat as the storytelling device, I'm saying use a little common sense and not use the world to "trick" people into believing its necessary, when it's not.

Tactics are universal, so please don't be pedantic about comparing specific things in the sw universe to specific things in the real world.

Obviously Melee is not the only option, as 99% of everyone else uses blasters. I'm not going to get into a debate about what should stop what, and rock paper scissors the thread to death.

Back to on topic, has anyone else noticed, and does it bother you.

I have only seen a handful of examples where true strategy and tactics made for good story telling, and that would be shows/movies where the plot revolves around those, such as Code Geass does. Unless the story revolves around that, usually it will not be good for a movie, let alone a trailer where people want to see action.

 

Does it make sense? Of course not, but it makes the trailer more exciting. Excitement makes the game more appealing to the majority, not common sense.

That series drops relevant tactics after the 10th episode pretty much.

In all honesty, Star Wars by this era should be only having thousands of 4 man cells running around doing special ops missions in squads if we are going to be technical. It just isn't interesting that way.

... why not dispense with the carbine entirely and work with melee weapons? Plus, it kind of makes sense. We're talking about a universe where jedi can deflect energy blasts to the point of reaching melee combat, so soldiers would still have use for close quarters combat techniques like those used before the advent of gunpowder.

That is kind of funny that you mention it. In a war of Jedi vs sith I think having troops

Trained specifically in sword fighting would be effective. At least long enough to delay a Jedi and give his buddies room to take him down. Personally I would call in orbital strikes/artillery/ strafing run at the worst before I went against a Jedi. Even then, if I wasnt trained in sword fighting I would retreat/use explosives.

does the quote "a long time ago..." come to mind. the battle tactics are how it is in this galaxy. its fine the way it is

The moment technology is introduced, methods are developed to try to subert or take advantage of it. You're asking me to suspend disbelief that a galaxy full of aliens can devlop a space station, but not know how to fight.

It's even in the title. Star Wars. So I think some effort should be put in it.

As someone who served in the military, it aggravates me when I see cinematics/star wars films that use tactics the world hasn't used since the bow and arrow became obselete. The republic cinematic comes to mind, where the troopers fire a volley of shots from ambush and then get into Melee with a significant number of force users that specialise in that.

 

I mean they don't even need consultants, just common sense. Anyone else bugged by this and/or have specific examples?

Star Wars isn't real dude, its all just science-fantasy. And your complaining because its not more realistic???? Its pointless trying to look for logic, there is none, its all just made for entertainment.

Star Wars isn't real dude, its all just science-fantasy. And your complaining because its not more realistic???? Its pointless trying to look for logic, there is none, its all just made for entertainment.

Thank you for this contribution to this thread. If you get bored, I'm sure there are some threads about cats where you can talk about dogs.

Thank you for this contribution to this thread. If you get bored, I'm sure there are some threads about cats where you can talk about dogs.

No dude, I am being serious. I really don't understand it when people complain about "Oh, well why does he dress that way? How can he do that? Well, what is the science behind that? Why would they fight that way? That doesn't make sense!!!" ITS NOT REAL! Its not suppose to be like reality. Your going to complain about the military tactics they are using, but the fact that they are able to travel faster than light which my all our modern science is deemed impossible is just fine!? You could go on for years picking out things in the movies that would make make no logic sense. Good God, how is a lightsaber even possible!? ITS NOT REAL! The people who made the films and video games would tell you the same thing, you are taking this too seriously. You are looking for flaws that are obvious, and answers where there are none.

The moment technology is introduced, methods are developed to try to subert or take advantage of it. You're asking me to suspend disbelief that a galaxy full of aliens can devlop a space station, but not know how to fight.

 

It's even in the title. Star Wars. So I think some effort should be put in it.

You're 35 years too late.

Lucas created the universe complete with Hollywood Tactics. The game is just trying to retain the flavor of the source material.

Gym "Yes, I linked to TV Tropes...How many Dark Side Points is that worth?" Quirk

No dude, I am being serious. I really don't understand it when people complain about "Oh, well why does he dress that way? How can he do that? Well, what is the science behind that? Why would they fight that way? That doesn't make sense!!!" ITS NOT REAL! Its not suppose to be like reality. Your going to complain about the military tactics they are using, but the fact that they are able to travel faster than light which my all our modern science is deemed impossible is just fine!? You could go on for years picking out things in the movies that would make make no logic sense. Good God, how is a lightsaber even possible!? ITS NOT REAL! The people who made the films and video games would tell you the same thing, you are taking this too seriously. You are looking for flaws that are obvious, and answers where there are none.

Alot of people seem to be judging this on what Vader & Palpatine's "intentions" were. As Lucas himself once said "Anyone who is evil never thinks of themselves as evil, they always think that they are doing good....even when they are not." It makes little difference to me what their motives were either good or evil, it is their actions that define them. Although Palpatine is considered the ultimate villian, there were times when Vader was even worst. Anakin knew the things he did was wrong (i.e. killing children) but he did them anyways to meet his own intentions of becoming strong enough to save Padme. We expect someone like Palpatine to be evil, as he really had no real chance of being anything else. Anakin was a good man, a hero, and to see him descend to do such horrible things is far worst. Who was pulling who's strings does not make one of them more evil than the other. The kicker for me came in TFUII (yes I know that game sucked) when Vader threatened to kill Juno, the woman Starkiller loved, unless Starkiller did his bidding. Here, Vader is knowingly doing (in extent) the same thing Palpatine did to him in EPIII.....turn to the Dark Side in order to save the one you love. That to me is the epitome of evil.

The universe isn't real dude, I don't understand why you're trying to define actions and psychology of fake people.

Think of this thread as its own little creation. I posed a (hopefully) interesting topic and within the realm of normal discussion, that topic can be discussed, interesting and new opinions based on what is relevant.

Your posts have no relevance.

The universe isn't real dude, I don't understand why you're trying to define actions and psychology of fake people.

 

Think of this thread as its own little creation. I posed a (hopefully) interesting topic and within the realm of normal discussion, that topic can be discussed, interesting and new opinions based on what is relevant.

 

Your posts have no relevance.

lol I have never seen someone act so immature especially one who claims to have served in the military. Look man, I know you though it was cute to bringing one of may previous posts from a completely different thread in some sad attempt to turn my own words against me but they have nothing to do with each other.Your thread is specificity comparing Star Wars military tactics to real life ones, therefor I pointed out that of course they would be impractical, because they are not meant to be genuine in the first place. I don't know why you think that would have no relevance. Star Wars is meant to be full of swashbuckling action-filled adventures that are supposed to be entertaining and nothing more, and have little to do with how war is waged in real life. So I am more or less agreeing with you, which would be like agreeing that the sky is blue. I'm not trolling you dude, I'm just pointing out something that I think is obvious.

Ah, another day on the forums.

OP types thread with question; question is answered; OP doesnt like answer and starts degrading posters who answered.

Yay internet.

The thing that the OP points out is often found in fantasy and sci-fi. Those types of stories almost always revolve around military conflicts, but the writers seldom have any actual military experience so they have to make do with imagination and guesses, and they always try to make it cool first and foremost.

I do agree that in the "Hope" trailer, specifically, the Republic soldiers showed poor tactical thinking and I know nothing of actual real-life military tactics. But it makes sense to use the terrain to your advantage; they could have showered the Sith with grenades, heavy blaster fire and thermo-detonators from above before they could say "Force lightning" instead of just jumping onto the lightsabers.

On the other side, think about what the main target auditory of SWTOR - and video games in general - is. Teenaged boys and young 20-something adults, most of whom never have and never will hear and learn actual tactics. They don't care - they want to watch something cool and that's it.

ITS NOT REAL! Its not suppose to be like reality.

It's not suppose to be like OUR reality? Possible entirely. But nevertheless, any described ("secondary") universe\world has it's own inner settings, provided both by "lore" and "fanfic". Sometimes those two may have different or even contradictory points. Both are important, the more "lore" people have the less "fic" happens and vice versa.

But that does not change thing, that WITHIN the SWU there ARE laws, orders, rules, science, traditions etc. Who and how depicts and represents those - is another question.