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Ben Irving leaving BioWare


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OlBuzzard
08.19.2019 , 05:22 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Rion_Starkiller View Post
This is true.
I blame him to a degree, but let's be real: RNG crates are an EA thing, not inherently a Ben Irving thing. See Battlefront.
... This is in fact exactly my point.

While some of the details may have been his responsibility to implement .. IMO.. EA pretty much gave him a directive. Here's the budget... (cough ... cough... ) Here is where we want you to go with the game. This is the job.

I'm not suggesting that we get all teary eyed over the system ( although it probably brings tears to mine ... just not the same implication though) ..

I'm simply suggesting that he did the job he was hired to do. The fact that another company picked him up once this was completed should also tell us something about the industry over all.

BTW... it should be noted that this is not a rant against BW... IMO they are doing the best that they can with the personnel, time and budget that they are given.

EA... that is another topic for another day!
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Lhancelot
08.20.2019 , 10:16 AM | #12
May he learn from his mistakes and find happiness and success in his future endeavors. Good luck, Ben!
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Quote: Originally Posted by DarthSpuds View Post
RNG is counterproductive because it massively increases player dissatisfaction.
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Quote: Originally Posted by olagatonjedi View Post
As I detailed in another thread, RNG give the players more control over their gearing.

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Celise
08.21.2019 , 10:30 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by OlBuzzard View Post
IMO... he did the job he was hired to do !
That entirely depends, was he a willing pawn of the EA higher ups to come up with something like that, or did he order it himself knowing he wouldn't have to face the community on the way out?

there is being hired to do something and there is doing what you want because you have the power to do that. From the way it was said in that livesteam, it looks more like he wanted to do this and parade it around saying it was the best thing for this game to his paymasters.

unless there is confirmation to the contrary, my opinion is that he wanted to take this direction 100%. i'll be clear here, i don't want yours or anyone elses opinion on the matter, i want a clear confirmation about it from someone official, otherwise this conversation is dead in the water and i'll leave it there.

Quote: Originally Posted by Rion_Starkiller View Post
This is true.
I blame him to a degree, but let's be real: RNG crates are an EA thing, not inherently a Ben Irving thing. See Battlefront.
What is real? like asking what is normal?
All of it is from different points of view and because it all different points of view i don't take any notice of it until those points of view all align as one. basically i'm saying if you got nothing worth saying, no point adding and jumping on that bandwagon sinply because you can.

You point links right to the previous quoted person, get some proof first... and i don't want your opinions.

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Storm-Cutter
08.21.2019 , 12:09 PM | #14
Great content, great story, great characters, great PVP experience, a vibrant community.....Is what builds a great game and a great legacy.

Pushing grind as content over and over is never gonna win people over.

How much he was an architet of this or just doing what he was hired to do is only ever gonna be matter of conjecture.

- Here's hoping that his successors make this the great game that it could ( and should) be.
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OlBuzzard
08.21.2019 , 12:31 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Celise View Post
That entirely depends, was he a willing pawn of the EA higher ups to come up with something like that, or did he order it himself knowing he wouldn't have to face the community on the way out?

there is being hired to do something and there is doing what you want because you have the power to do that. From the way it was said in that livesteam, it looks more like he wanted to do this and parade it around saying it was the best thing for this game to his paymasters.

unless there is confirmation to the contrary, my opinion is that he wanted to take this direction 100%. i'll be clear here, i don't want yours or anyone elses opinion on the matter, i want a clear confirmation about it from someone official, otherwise this conversation is dead in the water and i'll leave it there.



What is real? like asking what is normal?
All of it is from different points of view and because it all different points of view i don't take any notice of it until those points of view all align as one. basically i'm saying if you got nothing worth saying, no point adding and jumping on that bandwagon sinply because you can.

You point links right to the previous quoted person, get some proof first... and i don't want your opinions.
At best all you have is speculation. All of us for that matter.. all we have is speculation. IMO.. (like it or not) ... that is not enough to pass that sort of judgement.

Shared responsibility is always a part of the job. Even in upper management. Winning a popularity contest is not.

Granted SWTOR did not get into the pickle it's in over night. There were repeated cut backs. Again ... IMO.. the budget and how to direct that was the key. And to be perfectly candid about it ... it's unlikely that anyone outside of those to whom Ben Irving answered to can answer that sort of a question.

For whatever it's worth .. I do understand why you are upset. This game had so much potential. Many have stayed waiting patiently for better content and a genuine demonstration of appreciation to the Star Wars legacy. Many players feel let down and disappointed. Even with the release of JUS and Ossus it was for many still even more disappointment. I don't blame you for the frustration.

I hope this makes sense. Even if it is not the resolution to the problems we face as SWTOR customers.
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Lhancelot
08.21.2019 , 04:22 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by OlBuzzard View Post
At best all you have is speculation. All of us for that matter.. all we have is speculation. IMO.. (like it or not) ... that is not enough to pass that sort of judgement.
Thatís why I wish him the best. No one except BW knows exactly how much impact Ben had on SWTOR.

Sure, he was a vocal part of BW during that time and touted the changes as great changes, but that doesnít prove he had anything to do with the actual implementation of said changes.

I rather look ahead than look backwards, anyway.
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Quote: Originally Posted by DarthSpuds View Post
RNG is counterproductive because it massively increases player dissatisfaction.
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Quote: Originally Posted by olagatonjedi View Post
As I detailed in another thread, RNG give the players more control over their gearing.

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OlBuzzard
08.21.2019 , 08:19 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Lhancelot View Post
Thatís why I wish him the best. No one except BW knows exactly how much impact Ben had on SWTOR.

Sure, he was a vocal part of BW during that time and touted the changes as great changes, but that doesnít prove he had anything to do with the actual implementation of said changes.

I rather look ahead than look backwards, anyway.
On this we both totally agree. Well said..

Thank You !
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DarthSpuds
08.22.2019 , 09:09 AM | #18
Personally, I'd be interested to know here he's moving to.

So I can avoid their products.

Sw:ToR - LP: Ben Irving years - disaster.
Anthem - LP: Ben Irving - nuclear disaster.

Wouldn't knowingly touch a game he's involved with.

He must talk a good talk, because he's had 2 LP positions, but the output of his time as LP clearly shows he can't walk the walk.

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Rion_Starkiller
08.22.2019 , 10:43 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Celise View Post
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What is real? like asking what is normal?
All of it is from different points of view and because it all different points of view i don't take any notice of it until those points of view all align as one. basically i'm saying if you got nothing worth saying, no point adding and jumping on that bandwagon sinply because you can.

You point links right to the previous quoted person, get some proof first... and i don't want your opinions.
I meant "let's be realistic" because I am trying to think of the most probable/logical reason for loot crates.

If the worst thing Irving did was GC loot crates, why was the same system put in place for several other EA games? Why do we assume that it was his personal decision? I think he had some control over HOW they were implemented, and I think we can place the blame on him for the game's direction, such as chapter/story focus, and lack of raids.

But as for the last part of your post, I don't care whether you want proofs or not. I'm not here to prove anything to you, nor post for your pleasure. Take what I say or leave it, it doesn't matter in an off topic thread about something we can only speculate about because none of us work for BW or EA.
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Lhancelot
08.22.2019 , 04:08 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Rion_Starkiller View Post
I meant "let's be realistic" because I am trying to think of the most probable/logical reason for loot crates.

If the worst thing Irving did was GC loot crates, why was the same system put in place for several other EA games? Why do we assume that it was his personal decision? I think he had some control over HOW they were implemented, and I think we can place the blame on him for the game's direction, such as chapter/story focus, and lack of raids.

But as for the last part of your post, I don't care whether you want proofs or not. I'm not here to prove anything to you, nor post for your pleasure. Take what I say or leave it, it doesn't matter in an off topic thread about something we can only speculate about because none of us work for BW or EA.
The orange is why I wouldn't even start to try to blame him for anything. I mean really, who knows except for those close to him and those in charge of making decisions for the game exactly what he had control of.

And for what it's worth, I really enjoy your no-nonsense style of post writing. I can appreciate someone that isn't here for other's amusement. You just put your opinion down no matter how crude and rude and just let the chips fall where they may!

Looking forward to reading more of your posts.
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Quote: Originally Posted by DarthSpuds View Post
RNG is counterproductive because it massively increases player dissatisfaction.
FALSE
Quote: Originally Posted by olagatonjedi View Post
As I detailed in another thread, RNG give the players more control over their gearing.