TyonYlle Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 So, I literally just finished listening to the podcast with Keith. Admittedly, it isn't likely, though it would be an wicked bonus. It really sounded like Keith cares about the servers. I would just like to say, before I start that I don't want this thread to be a thread that either demands, or highly suggests BW to do something. That isn't fair on the team, I think. Instead, I just want to have a feel about peoples thoughts and opinions. We all have servers that we love and adore, I know that I couldn't imagine being anywhere other than EH. IF BW were to give us one APAC server would you move over without a second thought? Do you continue playing on a West/East coast server despite your ping because you just can't stand to leave your guild/friends behind? How easy, or difficult of a choice, would you have? I would specifically love to hear from RPers. Personally, I likely wouldn't move from EH to any hypothetical APAC server, but that's mainly because I'm not too sure how large a community of RPers the APAC region has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icykill_ Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 So, I literally just finished listening to the podcast with Keith. Admittedly, it isn't likely, though it would be an wicked bonus. It really sounded like Keith cares about the servers. I would just like to say, before I start that I don't want this thread to be a thread that either demands, or highly suggests BW to do something. That isn't fair on the team, I think. Instead, I just want to have a feel about peoples thoughts and opinions. We all have servers that we love and adore, I know that I couldn't imagine being anywhere other than EH. IF BW were to give us one APAC server would you move over without a second thought? Do you continue playing on a West/East coast server despite your ping because you just can't stand to leave your guild/friends behind? How easy, or difficult of a choice, would you have? I would specifically love to hear from RPers. Personally, I likely wouldn't move from EH to any hypothetical APAC server, but that's mainly because I'm not too sure how large a community of RPers the APAC region has. If there were enough pvp people I would move in an instant. No second thoughts. I'd even pay real money to move. But the server would need be populated enough and have enough pvp people to get regular 2-5 min pops during prime time. But this is all wishful thinking because 90% of APAC players left the game, most when we were merged with the US. That would mean Bio would need to attract a lot old APAC players back to the game or many new players. Considering they can't keep current players in the game, I don't think they could ever get enough people back to the game for an APAC server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllisonLightning Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 We'd need so many new APAC people and I have friends and a comfortable guild home on The Harbinger so it's unlikely I'd do anything except have a few characters over there for Ops purposes with excessive coordination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeNaCe-NZ Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Dalborra was pretty dead when I left and that's when the game felt lively on the big servers like Harb compared to the smaller ghost town it feels like these days. An APAC server would be as dead as a PVP server imo so no, I'd never move back unless the games numbers for some reason started sky rocketing through the roof that there were actually enough APAC players playing to warrant it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuinlanSaathis Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) Only if the move was free. When I moved to Harbinger it cost me over $300 not doing that again. Edited June 28, 2017 by QuinlanSaathis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icykill_ Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) We'd need so many new APAC people and I have friends and a comfortable guild home on The Harbinger so it's unlikely I'd do anything except have a few characters over there for Ops purposes with excessive coordination. OMG, Allison youre back. 😘 Edited June 28, 2017 by Icykill_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icykill_ Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Dalborra was pretty dead when I left and that's when the game felt lively on the big servers like Harb compared to the smaller ghost town it feels like these days. An APAC server would be as dead as a PVP server imo so no, I'd never move back unless the games numbers for some reason started sky rocketing through the roof that there were actually enough APAC players playing to warrant it. LoL, Dalbora wasn't dead, it had two-three times as many as what Harbinger has now. Sure Harb had more people back at the mergers. So many infact that the server couldn't handle it at the time. But remember they were merging 3 servers and most people chose Harbinger as the destination. Plus only about 20% of the APAC people stayed for the merge, the dead servers in APAC were the pvp and RP ones. All the APAC players wanted was for all three to be joined into one. But you are correct in your assessment about what would happen now if they tried it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icykill_ Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Only if the move was free. When I moved from Harbinger it cost me over $300 not doing that again. Why did it cost you anything? It was free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeNaCe-NZ Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 LoL, Dalbora wasn't dead, it had two-three times as many as what Harbinger has now. when the game felt lively on the big servers like Harb compared to the smaller ghost town it feels like these days. I already insinuated this. Harb is pretty dead now where as it was massively lively when we merged. My point is if Harb is this dead now (and incredibly dead during what used to be prime time for apac players) then an APAC server would be even more dead than those quiet times and as I said, I wouldn't imagine numbers much higher than the current PVP servers. Sure Harb had more people back at the mergers. So many infact that the server couldn't handle it at the time. But remember they were merging 3 servers and most people chose Harbinger as the destination. I would have been happy with merging APAC servers into 1 APAC server but even had they don't that it still would have needed a merge over time as they slowly but surely drove players away from the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeNaCe-NZ Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Why did it cost you anything? It was free FROM Harbinger, I'm guessing they did so (for whatever reason) when it was full priced perhaps or a lot of toons ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icykill_ Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 FROM Harbinger, I'm guessing they did so (for whatever reason) when it was full priced perhaps or a lot of toons ... Didn't cost me a cent.. I even had a few on Harb before the move and they just merged my extra toons with the ones I had and that actually gave me a few extra Alt slots I would have had to pay for otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuinlanSaathis Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 The from was a typo, sorry. I did move to Harb but I moved from Jung Ma Our guild, although we were APAC started long before the APAC servers existed and we did not make the move to them when they came around (not sure why now, don't remember the reason) Jung Ma died and I made the decision to move myself to Harbinger, I had a number of characters to move and this was before the prices fell so it cost me a ton. I wouldn't move again unless it was free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmius Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 I started on Dalborra and moved to Harb when the merges happened As an aussie who works in manufacturing i get up at 4am. This trend also happens on the weekend. Since moving to Harb i like being able to get runs in early Saturday or Sunday morning when the US peeps are playing. I for one would not go back to an APAC server. Moving to a US server allowed for different hours of play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeNaCe-NZ Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) Didn't cost me a cent.. I even had a few on Harb before the move and they just merged my extra toons with the ones I had and that actually gave me a few extra Alt slots I would have had to pay for otherwise. Edit: I had focused on the from part. I guess they make the point though. It was free for us as we got merged. If they just opened a server not many are going to want to pay to move to what is likely to be a dead server. Edited June 28, 2017 by MeNaCe-NZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
americanaussie Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) Only if the move was free. When I moved to Harbinger it cost me over $300 not doing that again. It was free when they opened apac servers and free when they closed them. I was on Dar Nala and our pop was fairly low. SWTOR APAC transfer These images are the free transfer emails. https://imgur.com/gallery/laOof Edited June 28, 2017 by americanaussie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icykill_ Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 I miss my 17ms Ping I had to dalbora. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyonYlle Posted June 28, 2017 Author Share Posted June 28, 2017 90% of APAC players left the game, most when we were merged with the US Surely though, if they brought just one APAC server back, that might attract some former APAC players that left because of the move to the US servers? I don't think a server would be as dead as some people make the servers out to be. I don't really believe how "dead" Harby could be, when EH is fairly active and poppy, unless your (general your) talking about ranked queues? But yes, I agree, this thread is purely hypothetical because I doubt they would ever bring a server back. Keith just had me imagining that the might, eventually, do something for us. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icykill_ Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Surely though, if they brought just one APAC server back, that might attract some former APAC players that left because of the move to the US servers? I don't think a server would be as dead as some people make the servers out to be. I don't really believe how "dead" Harby could be, when EH is fairly active and poppy, unless your (general your) talking about ranked queues? But yes, I agree, this thread is purely hypothetical because I doubt they would ever bring a server back. Keith just had me imagining that the might, eventually, do something for us. lol I doubt it, most moved onto other games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOfTheWarriorx Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) Given that PVP pops are never really a problem, never really waiting long, there's not much incentive to leave. I live NY and the Shadowlands is an East Coast server so there are no ping issues. Plenty of people LFM for Raids on fleet. If you have 100+ people on fleet a decent amount of the time, why risk it? Plus there are so many things many players can't take with them, from Strongholds, to Guilds and guildships, so much money and time and effort of building on those things, conquest, and to say nothing of all the people/friends you've made over the years. Who would really want to have to start all over again from scratch? Than again, if it was a brand new server, everyone would pretty much be in the same boat and I can see some people liking the idea that they would have been with the server from the ground up, that has certain draw of it's own. I've been on the Shadowlands for last 5 -6 years, it's all I know, be weird to just up and leave it anyways. No real incentive to even consider it. For people who have populations problems and can't find people to play with/long queces and such, yeah I can definately see people in that situation looking to start over somewhere else and a chance to get in on the ground floor on a brand new server would likely be a draw to some. Ohh yeah, plus, I don't speak Chinese! But, I do love Beef with broccoli and I eat at Wo Hops in Chinatown all the time, so maybe they could help me get started. I wonder how you say 'All Jedi must die' in Mandarin.... =p Edited June 28, 2017 by WayOfTheWarriorx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyonYlle Posted June 28, 2017 Author Share Posted June 28, 2017 Given that PVP pops are never really a problem, never really waiting long, there's not much incentive to leave. I live NY and the Shadowlands is an East Coast server so there are no ping issues. Plenty of people LFM for Raids on fleet. If you have 100+ people on fleet a decent amount of the time, why risk it? Plus there are so many things many players can't take with them, from Strongholds, to Guilds and guildships, so much money and time and effort of building on those things, conquest, and to say nothing of all the people/friends you've made over the years. Who would really want to have to start all over again from scratch? Than again, if it was a brand new server, everyone would pretty much be in the same boat and I can see some people liking the idea that they would have been with the server from the ground up, that has certain draw of it's own. I've been on the Shadowlands for last 5 -6 years, it's all I know, be weird to just up and leave it anyways. No real incentive to even consider it. For people who have populations problems and can't find people to play with/long queces and such, yeah I can definately see people in that situation looking to start over somewhere else and a chance to get in on the ground floor on a brand new server would likely be a draw to some. Ohh yeah, plus, I don't speak Chinese! But, I do love Beef with broccoli and I eat at Wo Hops in Chinatown all the time, so maybe they could help me get started. I wonder how you say 'All Jedi must die' in Mandarin.... =p I was more wondering because of our ping issue. I dare say that it's likely you don't have nearly the ping trouble that we do. I don't play at the moment, I can't until after I move house, and we can get a better internet plan, but my ping is terrible. I'm talking at least 240 MS. It's partly the reason I don't PVP (Regz, I wouldn't dare attempt ranked) and GSF. I don't think my lappy is technically a "gaming" lappy, but I don't think its lag is too bad at all. Once I have a better plan, assuming it makes much of a difference I might try to learn PVP. An APAC server might be just a bit more friendly on newbies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KindlyOne Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 IF BW were to give us one APAC server would you move over without a second thought? Do you continue playing on a West/East coast server despite your ping because you just can't stand to leave your guild/friends behind? How easy, or difficult of a choice, would you have? It would be a hard choice. We've already seen what happened with the three original APAC servers--we don't have enough APAC players to sustain a server. Maybe if Bioware had merged the three APAC servers, we'd have kept most of the APAC players, but no. Not any more. Don't get me wrong. I would love to return to a 20ms ping. Going from 20ms to 200ms makes a huge difference in operations, warzones, and starfighter; but what we'd likely end up getting is 20 ms ping at the expense of everything else, simply because we wouldn't have the population to sustain group activities. As for my answer to your question? No, I wouldn't move without a second thought. There would be lots of thoughts. If Bioware map out a clear plan for repopulating and sustaining the APAC server (and it's only going to be one server this time around,) then sure, I'll bite. I like to remain optimistic and give Bioware the benefit of the doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyonYlle Posted June 28, 2017 Author Share Posted June 28, 2017 It would be a hard choice. We've already seen what happened with the three original APAC servers--we don't have enough APAC players to sustain a server. Maybe if Bioware had merged the three APAC servers, we'd have kept most of the APAC players, but no. Not any more. Don't get me wrong. I would love to return to a 20ms ping. Going from 20ms to 200ms makes a huge difference in operations, warzones, and starfighter; but what we'd likely end up getting is 20 ms ping at the expense of everything else, simply because we wouldn't have the population to sustain group activities. As for my answer to your question? No, I wouldn't move without a second thought. There would be lots of thoughts. If Bioware map out a clear plan for repopulating and sustaining the APAC server (and it's only going to be one server this time around,) then sure, I'll bite. I like to remain optimistic and give Bioware the benefit of the doubt. That's mostly why I decided to start this thread, because with Keith you just never know what he has planned long term. It might already be on his "wall of crazy" but just hasn't worked out enough details, yet to share with us! And yes, my hypothetical was only for one server, I think that's enough, for PVP, PVE and RP included. Do we know the statistics of all the APAC that still play? To keep with the hypothetical, and in the spirit of "giving BW the benefit of the doubt" in this new Keith era there might be a slim possibility that one server might just scrape over the line to be worth it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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