We saw what they could do and the terror they had brought across the galaxy. We had never fought them as a full group for real. How did Jaric Kaedan make it? Not just defeated, but also captured them alive.

What is the strongest ability of the Dread Masters? It is mind control and if that does not work on you enemy you are screwed. Powerful mind control but still if it does not work you are screwed. They could not defend against him.

What is the strongest ability of the Dread Masters? It is mind control and if that does not work on you enemy you are screwed. Powerful mind control but still if it does not work you are screwed. They could not defend against him.

Not just that, they were also very powerful Dark Siders themselves.

I think as a whole they might be more powerful than any of the TOR Sith other than the Emperor. Even Revan couldn't cause such threat in short time.

They're frozen in carbonite when Imperial characters first free them on Belsavis, aren't they?

It's possible for people of strong wills (eg. player characters) to resist them, and it's possible for Force users to mask their power. He could have masqueraded as a regular republic soldier and blasted them with carbonite when they fell for the ruse. The Dread Masters, like virtually all Sith, are shockingly arrogant. Their arrogance was their undoing.

Of course, if they're not my argument holds no weight (I literally haven't seen Imperial Belsavis since January 2012).

They're frozen in carbonite when Imperial characters first free them on Belsavis, aren't they?

 

It's possible for people of strong wills (eg. player characters) to resist them, and it's possible for Force users to mask their power. He could have masqueraded as a regular republic soldier and blasted them with carbonite when they fell for the ruse. The Dread Masters, like virtually all Sith, are shockingly arrogant. Their arrogance was their undoing.

 

Of course, if they're not my argument holds no weight (I literally haven't seen Imperial Belsavis since January 2012).

If you read their codex entries, it says in Raptus's entry that he convinced the Republic soldiers of their prison escort to commit suicide (with just words), so they weren't frozen at that point. There's no detailed record in the game, btw. You're only told via codex that Kaedan and a Special Forces unit boarded their dreadnought and took them in. Maybe there was no fight?

Supposedly Kaeden and his strike team shielded themselves from the direct terror effect with battle meditation, after sneaking into their ship to avoid the fleet fragging trick. It's still widely inconsistent with things like Raptus making soldiers kill themselves while they were guarding him.

As is why in the galaxy the Republic didn't execute all of them when they had the chance.

Supposedly Kaeden and his strike team shielded themselves from the direct terror effect with battle meditation, after sneaking into their ship to avoid the fleet fragging trick. It's still widely inconsistent with things like Raptus making soldiers kill themselves while they were guarding him.

 

As is why in the galaxy the Republic didn't execute all of them when they had the chance.

"Enemy X has unique attribute Y, let us not kill them and endanger everyone." - Everyone in video games ever.

Supposedly Kaeden and his strike team shielded themselves from the direct terror effect with battle meditation, after sneaking into their ship to avoid the fleet fragging trick. It's still widely inconsistent with things like Raptus making soldiers kill themselves while they were guarding him.

 

As is why in the galaxy the Republic didn't execute all of them when they had the chance.

To study their power and learn how to protect pub fleet from the Dark Side?

Jaric Kaedan must have been one of the more powerful Jedi since he managed to defeat them all simultaneously, though I'd presume he had help from other Jedi. He also must have mastered some means of resisting their most powerful tool, which is mental domination. Maybe that technique was lost with his death.

Of course Jaric Kaedan can potentially be stomped by the player, but that is probably an example of gameplay and lore segregation. Any fight that plays out in gameplay can be potentially won by he player easily, depending on the design of the boss fight and the skill of the player(s) involved. Even if the player wins easily Jaric is still probably supposed to be one of the more powerful Jedi in the lore, and as far as the story is concerned it was a tough fight even if that wasn't reflected in gameplay.

Jaric Kaedan must have been one of the more powerful Jedi since he managed to defeat them all simultaneously, though I'd presume he had help from other Jedi. He also must have mastered some means of resisting their most powerful tool, which is mental domination. Maybe that technique was lost with his death.

 

Of course Jaric Kaedan can potentially be stomped by the player, but that is probably an example of gameplay and lore segregation. Any fight that plays out in gameplay can be potentially won by he player easily, depending on the design of the boss fight and the skill of the player(s) involved. Even if the player wins easily Jaric is still probably supposed to be one of the more powerful Jedi in the lore, and as far as the story is concerned it was a tough fight even if that wasn't reflected in gameplay.

Even in the lore, taking down Jaric was just part of the Ilum campaign and took a small imperial force. The Dread Masters became threat of both factions and took much more to take down.

The fight with Jaric is probably supposed to be tough however, even if it isn't for the player. Gameplay and story segregation...

If he took down the Dread Masters, I think its safe to say that within the lore he is one of the more powerful force users in the galaxy, even if the gameplay doesn't reflect that.

The fight with Jaric is probably supposed to be tough however, even if it isn't for the player. Gameplay and story segregation...

 

If he took down the Dread Masters, I think its safe to say that within the lore he is one of the more powerful force users in the galaxy, even if the gameplay doesn't reflect that.

In lore how where the dread masters taken? From what I know in ops unlike in FP only one character is shown and if you played Oricon you will understand that only one of the heroes kill them.

The fight with Jaric is probably supposed to be tough however, even if it isn't for the player. Gameplay and story segregation...

 

If he took down the Dread Masters, I think its safe to say that within the lore he is one of the more powerful force users in the galaxy, even if the gameplay doesn't reflect that.

But other than capturing the Dread Masters, he never showed much menace to the Empire like the Dread Master showed to both sides. They were torning up entire fleet, creating an army in short time and burst out a lot of crisis.

Actually, a little before Update 2.4 was released, a PvE friend of mine and I did the math on just how Jaric Kaeden may've done it.

So during our fight with Master Kaedan on Ilum, we find he is an Elite Guardian. One Elite NPC is meant to challenge a single player with mediocre skills. So lets assume he is equal to one player. Next, we have Republic Special Forces who were accompanied with him. If there were at least seven of them, and each is as skilled a Trooper character, this brings us to a full Operations group of 8 heroes. If by some chance the Dread Masters were fought one at a time (not totally unlikely, imagining they each had their own meditation chamber/throne room, like in the Dread Palace), it is completely feasible that Kaeden and Republic Special Forces took down the Dread Masters. Furthermore, there was no given number of Republic soldiers in this fight. If one died, there's a good chance another took his or her place. That covers the chance of death/respawn that is inherit in all Ops battles.

However, if you're like me, you're probably not completely sold on this idea. So let's back up and look at the Dread Masters' fighting skills. So we know that Brontes, Raptus, Calaphayus, Bestia, and Tyrans were driven to insanity and madness after the death of Styrak on Darvannis. In-game, we battled Styrak with a group of 8. In-lore, we battled Styrak, a large battalion of Dread Guards, and a Kell Dragon (twice) with a group of 8. That makes Styrak's power look medium-high at best. So perhaps after his death, the other five were so mad, their power intensified to the point they channeled untargeted bloody destruction. If Styrak was left alive on the other hand, they may've been left a great deal weaker. Weak enough for Kaeden and Special Forces to take down.

And also, someone asked why the Masters weren't executed: there is a given reason for this, I just don't remember it. Maybe they just didn't know how...