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Petition to stop the removal of LBLO in ops from the game, when 6.0 goes live!

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Petition to stop the removal of LBLO in ops from the game, when 6.0 goes live!

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CaptRogue
09.05.2019 , 02:11 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by LD_Little_Dragon View Post
All removing the boss lockouts from storymode will do is reduce the number of pug groups that will form for anything but EV/KP. Even for those you might get people more choosy about letting in newer or lower geared players.

Who's going to risk running ravagers and having the pug group fail at master/blaster if there are no lockouts? Currently you can just get a new group together and try again. Most OPs besides EV/KP have a potential to crash and burn some way in if enough players are either not good enough at their class, or unable to follow mechanics.

Currently with the boss lockouts if your pug group wipes and disbands you can form a new group and try again at the boss where you wiped. With no boss lockouts you'll have to start from the beginning of the OP again. That is a lot of time potentially wasted.

For conquest just don't have all the points for the final boss and you'll see more full runs forming.

Removing the boss lockouts will result in less full runs for pug OPs forming, not more.
Yep. And with the level De-syncing they're doing, it's gonna result in a LOT more fails on some Ops. Too many people are used to face rolling mechanics. There is going to be a LOT of rage in chat because of "noobs" wrecking Ops, IMO, after this launches.
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fushnchips
09.05.2019 , 02:12 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by CaptRogue View Post
Just because it's "easy" doesn't mean everyone has time to run an Op a day/night every night if they'd want to play. Some would like to do some other things in the game but still get conquest points, one chance at loot, etc...

No one is stopping you from running full runs on Ops. LBLO does no harm to you either.
Bioware are not going to revert it and that's your fault for being so casual end of the day LBLO were being abused for conquest points and bioware noticed it and fixed it simple it's done now look in the mirror and smile.
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Toraak
09.05.2019 , 02:33 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by fushnchips View Post
Bioware are not going to revert it and that's your fault for being so casual end of the day LBLO were being abused for conquest points and bioware noticed it and fixed it simple it's done now look in the mirror and smile.
^ 100% this. The only reason LBLO exist isn't due to people not having time. It's because people want fast and easy conquest. It was an abuse of the system that was within the rules to do, but BW is finally fixing it. I have no problems with them getting rid of LBLO, my only concern with no lockouts is if BW introduces a new raid, not every group will finish something bran new the 1st or 2nd time they enter it.
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DarkGruffalo
09.05.2019 , 02:48 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by fushnchips View Post
Bioware are not going to revert it and that's your fault for being so casual end of the day LBLO were being abused for conquest points and bioware noticed it and fixed it simple it's done now look in the mirror and smile.
If that's the reason they done that, then maybe they should have change the conquest grant, so that in order to get the cq points, you'd have to do the full op. That way, CQ points aren't abused, and people still have a chance to do the LO's if they like, and as someone else said, if the group fails, you can still keep the LO and get another group together. I can't imagine getting rid of the LO's are going to effect ops (or groups) positively.

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CaptRogue
09.05.2019 , 03:25 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by fushnchips View Post
Bioware are not going to revert it and that's your fault for being so casual end of the day LBLO were being abused for conquest points and bioware noticed it and fixed it simple it's done now look in the mirror and smile.
Unless you work for BW, you have NO idea if they will revert that or not. If enough people ask them to not do it, they might listen.

Best way would be to only grant a small amount of conquest points for it, or have the weekly count boss by boss, so that full runs get the CP.

Nothing is my fault for being so casual anyway. Not sure where or why you're coming off with such a snide & snarky attitude.
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DeannaVoyager
09.05.2019 , 03:56 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Toraak View Post
^ 100% this. The only reason LBLO exist isn't due to people not having time. It's because people want fast and easy conquest. It was an abuse of the system that was within the rules to do, but BW is finally fixing it. I have no problems with them getting rid of LBLO, my only concern with no lockouts is if BW introduces a new raid, not every group will finish something bran new the 1st or 2nd time they enter it.
LB locks existed long before they gave more than 2k CQ points from one GF ops/day. It has nothing to do with conquest. They became a thing after 5.0 launched because CXP & RNG gear grind was introduced with 5.0.

Today I spend almost 90 minutes on 3 first bosses EC with pugs from fleet before we gave up on minefield. Anyhow, I got a lock and another group later, so my time wasn't completely wasted. By removing lockouts they will efficiently remove all the people who know how to play from GF as well.

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fushnchips
09.05.2019 , 04:58 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by CaptRogue View Post
Unless you work for BW, you have NO idea if they will revert that or not. If enough people ask them to not do it, they might listen.

Best way would be to only grant a small amount of conquest points for it, or have the weekly count boss by boss, so that full runs get the CP.

Nothing is my fault for being so casual anyway. Not sure where or why you're coming off with such a snide & snarky attitude.
lol these petitions are garbage and people like your self will jump at any reason to try and give them a reason to listen LBLO are only going from boring mode so they are still in the game for Vet/Master mode operations I don't see why people get so serious about SM operations they are nothing but a stepping stone and all players should be able to clear them that is straight from the raid designers mouth.
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Nemmar
09.05.2019 , 05:43 PM | #18
Any way you look at it, this does not make sense. It was never intended to work that way and was kind of an exploit.

What could be done is have rewards increased to make the run more worthwhile.

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SushaBrancaleone
09.05.2019 , 07:18 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Toraak View Post
^ 100% this. The only reason LBLO exist isn't due to people not having time. It's because people want fast and easy conquest. It was an abuse of the system that was within the rules to do, but BW is finally fixing it. I have no problems with them getting rid of LBLO, my only concern with no lockouts is if BW introduces a new raid, not every group will finish something bran new the 1st or 2nd time they enter it.
besides being against the spirit of the game.
seconded . it defeats all the effort of those groups that 'would' manage and prevents the newer players from learning full ops mechanics, and is a lot more boring than doing a normal ops. and yes considering how SM is auto mode with 258..
i mean... why not make a petition to remove all NOT last bosses from ops

...we all know which guilds are upset by this.

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sharkfishman
09.05.2019 , 07:55 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by SushaBrancaleone View Post
besides being against the spirit of the game.
seconded . it defeats all the effort of those groups that 'would' manage and prevents the newer players from learning full ops mechanics, and is a lot more boring than doing a normal ops. and yes considering how SM is auto mode with 258..
i mean... why not make a petition to remove all NOT last bosses from ops

...we all know which guilds are upset by this.
Which guilds?

Personally, I think LBLO's are great.

I mean, I love OPs, so I run whatever I can get. Look at it this way, if it's a night I know I can set aside 3-4 hours, then I have no problem joining up with friends and PuGs to run through Rav or ToS. But if I only have 1-2 hours, I'm super happy when someone says, hey, we've got a LBLO, want to come heal? Then, if I have time, I can run an alt through and DPS too.

So in my case, LBLO's are all about the time and fun factor. I have more opportunities to do what I like. With this upcoming change, basically I won't get to run OPs more than one night a week. Major bummer.
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