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Jedi Sentinel A Primer


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Vobnash
12.18.2011 , 09:24 PM | #11
Great write up mate. I've so jaded this weekend, as I am in the struggle bracket (22). Good to see there is light at the end of the tunnel. I just tried out watchman too, and am fairly pleased with the results.

Will be lurking this thread like a mofo!! lol

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-Jodea-
12.18.2011 , 10:30 PM | #12
Dear Op,

Great work thus far as an introduction of the relevant information need for beginners entering the class; however, I have one quick comment regarding the Watchman single target DPS rotation:


Using Blade storm as part of the rotation instead of Slash.

Blade Storm Cost: 4 Focus

Slash Cost: 3 Focus - 1 Focus with 3/3 Focus Slash 100% Return actual cost 2 Focus

Blade Storm 7: DPS/focus 661/4 = 165.25

Slash 7: DPS/focus 481/2 = 240.5

Thus, Blade Storm Focus Cost is actually reducing your total output when using it instead of 2x Slash. These comments focus on the single target usually silver+; however, if you are single targeting trash, Blade storm is viable option as a possible stun at a cost of DPS production.

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Maefly
12.18.2011 , 11:26 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by -Jodea- View Post
Dear Op,

Great work thus far as an introduction of the relevant information need for beginners entering the class; however, I have one quick comment regarding the Watchman single target DPS rotation:


Using Blade storm as part of the rotation instead of Slash.

Blade Storm Cost: 4 Focus

Slash Cost: 3 Focus - 1 Focus with 3/3 Focus Slash 100% Return actual cost 2 Focus

Blade Storm 7: DPS/focus 661/4 = 165.25

Slash 7: DPS/focus 481/2 = 240.5

Thus, Blade Storm Focus Cost is actually reducing your total output when using it instead of 2x Slash. These comments focus on the single target usually silver+; however, if you are single targeting trash, Blade storm is viable option as a possible stun at a cost of DPS production.
Before 47 (assuming all talent points are spent to get to Merciless slash), the opening rotation only generates 9 focus, with 5 spent before the slash or blade storm decision. And talented yes, Slash only costs 2 focus but requires 3 focus to be present. It spends the focus then refunds 1 so to get 2 slashes in a row, you would need 5 focus instead of 4. Now end game, going down the Combat tree we can pick up this extra focus through the Focused leap talent but the earliest we could see that would be 47 and then we're looking at Merciless Slash rather than Slash.

Just a quick run down on the opener.

Force Leap: 3 focus
Overload Saber (activated in flight): -3 focus
Zealous Slash: 6 focus
Cauterize: -2 focus

At this point we have 4 focus left if we slash, the focus pool will actually go to 1 and then back up to 2 because of the refund leaving us with 2 focus unable to slash again, until we pick up the extra focus on Force Leap at 47.

Now, post 47, the opener would center around Merciless Slash and maintain the Merciless buff so the rotation would look something like:

Force Leap: 4 focus
Overload Saber (in flight): -3 focus
Zealous Strike: 6 focus
Cauterize: -2 focus

Leaving us at this point with 5 focus to spend on a Merciless Slash and get the Merciless buff going. At this point we'll need to fill about 4 global cooldowns or 6 seconds before the rotation resets. Since I have no experience at this level, I can't say what the best filler would be here. Master Strike and Force Stasis are good choices in addition to some utility. I hope to have more information on this level range soon.

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besbin
12.19.2011 , 08:14 AM | #14
Nice write up, thanks for that. Have to say though that I too dropped blade storm from my hot bar a while ago. I see the point in your above argument but you are assuming you start each fight with zero focus, a situation I see arising very rarely. Talented slash is there for a reason and in my experience keeps the damage rolling in with few focus issues.

Once again, thank you for taking the trouble to put this information together.

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Deviantsoul
12.19.2011 , 10:14 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by -Jodea- View Post
Dear Op,

Great work thus far as an introduction of the relevant information need for beginners entering the class; however, I have one quick comment regarding the Watchman single target DPS rotation:


Using Blade storm as part of the rotation instead of Slash.

Blade Storm Cost: 4 Focus

Slash Cost: 3 Focus - 1 Focus with 3/3 Focus Slash 100% Return actual cost 2 Focus

Blade Storm 7: DPS/focus 661/4 = 165.25

Slash 7: DPS/focus 481/2 = 240.5

Thus, Blade Storm Focus Cost is actually reducing your total output when using it instead of 2x Slash. These comments focus on the single target usually silver+; however, if you are single targeting trash, Blade storm is viable option as a possible stun at a cost of DPS production.
Have to agree here. There is no reason to use Blade Storm in a Watchmen rotation unless your soloing for quests as it hits hard. Nothing in the Watchmen tree adds to Blade Storm. Other than that decent write-up. As a side note however, I will say it is next to impossible to manage 100% uptime on dots so if anyone is having problems doing so, do not worry. All your dots have shorter duration times than the length of the cooldown (barring a Merc. Slash proc on Cauterize which cannot be counted on since it is a proc).

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Timberley
12.19.2011 , 12:48 PM | #16
Excellent stuff! I've just started a Sentinel as one of my secondaries (my primary's a Shadow at the moment), and was wondering if the Sentinels had a guide as good as the Jedi Shadow Handbook! It looks like they do! Really good write up and in terms I (as a very new player of MMOs) can understand.

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Tchaktuli
12.19.2011 , 01:27 PM | #17
Really good thread. I've been looking for something like this.

Once question though with regards to the Valor ability: why no points into it?

I would think that increasing the rate that centering builds and reducing the cool down on Valorous Call so you can use it sooner to hit Zen or the others (as needed) would be a good thing.

Is the extra % to accuracy really that necessary from the Combat tree?
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Maefly
12.19.2011 , 01:44 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Tchaktuli View Post
Really good thread. I've been looking for something like this.

Once question though with regards to the Valor ability: why no points into it?

I would think that increasing the rate that centering builds and reducing the cool down on Valorous Call so you can use it sooner to hit Zen or the others (as needed) would be a good thing.

Is the extra % to accuracy really that necessary from the Combat tree?
This is a great point about the Valor talent in the Watchman tree, can't believe I missed it. Yes you should absolutely take Valor for end game flashpoint / operations. I guess I'm still in leveling mode and like the lowed cooldown on pacify. I have updated the build and moved the two points out of Watchguard and into Valor.

With regard to accuracy, I'm honestly not sure. It would make sense that there is some form of %accuracy cap and looking at my current stats, I only have 90% accuracy so it would make sense that end game you would want 100%. Also, the tool tip says accuracy over 100% reduces the targets defense. Again, not too clear on how this impacts our damage we'll have to wait and see.

Thanks for the catch on Valor.

On a side note, the language filter on these forums seems to be overzealous

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#501bIMRr****zZhGb.1

If you notice the *** in the middle of the link its o M f G (no spaces) which is apparently filtered preventing me from linking to torhead...

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Berezo
12.19.2011 , 02:08 PM | #19
Very nice write up OP but I'll agree with others and say that blade storm is a waste. Slash is a better fill even at the mid-range level because of the chance to reset the CD on cauterize. Other than that, you are pretty much spot on. Also, overload saber>>cyclone slash x3....do all targets get dots put on them? Anyone noticed if they have or not?
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Maefly
12.19.2011 , 02:44 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Berezo View Post
Very nice write up OP but I'll agree with others and say that blade storm is a waste. Slash is a better fill even at the mid-range lever because of the chance to rest the CD on cauterize. Other than that, you are pretty much spot on. Also, overload saber>>cyclone slash x3....do all targets get dots put on them? Anyone noticed if they have or not?
Great point on Slash resetting the cooldown on cauterize. I'm just now getting into this part of the talent tree and it does seem better to work slash in much more frequently.

As it stands now, my opening rotation is:

Force Leap, overload saber (in flight), Zealous strike, Cauterize, Slash which leaves me with 2 focus for utility. After the opening, I like to fill with Stasis into Master Strike which leaves 5 focus and allows for a quick Slash, Slash, before the rotation resets.

I still like blade storm for packs of standard mobs because its one of the few abilities we can use at range. So as I'm traveling over to setup a master strike, I blade storm so theirs no dead dps time as I move from mob to mob.