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3.0 Mercenary/Commando DPS by Hotwired

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3.0 Mercenary/Commando DPS by Hotwired

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sevenfaced
04.16.2016 , 03:40 PM | #251
I should probably add that my problem with your claim is that you are unwilling to provide any empirical evidence to back it up. So it is actually an opinion/theory that you are presenting as fact.
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Gyronamics
04.16.2016 , 03:54 PM | #252
That's only one notch below playing highscores to plan a perfect rotation for X health. The final step being to spam it until its hot.

That would require effort and I'm not keen on the fact that you appear to never have tried the rotation in this thread but are keen to repeat arguments you've heard someone else say.

Go back to parsely, use the filter for commando, assault, 1500000. The top parse uses Assault Plastique on cooldown, Full Auto for one of the rotation resets and opens with dots, supercharge then MB/CB/MB cluster.

I've never met that person but he's using the rotation of this thread, clearly not BiS though.

If you make an effort to be proficient in the rotation in this thread instead of having me in two minds about how much you're here to troll then I might be more helpful.

The only person who can convince you is yourself and you've come in with a hardened opinion already.
Hotwired

Niman, Tomb of Freedon Nadd, The Red Eclipse, Darth Malgus

2011 - The Immortals, The Lumberjacks, Nano, Not Good Enough, Disciples of Babylon, Salt Miners - 2018

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sevenfaced
04.16.2016 , 04:15 PM | #253
....He is not using your rotation as far as I can tell his dots are applied together while yours are applied in seperate rotations. I am pretty confident that the rotation he is using is credited to Nerevar. Also in 3.0 I did experiment with all of the rotations available to me which included yours and I netted the best results with the zorz rotation. I apologize if you believe I am coming across as a troll that is not my intention, but if you are going to claim that your rotation is equivilant to another dummy parsing and imply that it performs better in raid I would like to see evidence of that, I would prefer you use your own rotation as evidence as well and not claim someone else's as your own.
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Walpurulis
04.16.2016 , 05:10 PM | #254
Quote: Originally Posted by sevenfaced View Post
....He is not using your rotation as far as I can tell his dots are applied together while yours are applied in seperate rotations. I am pretty confident that the rotation he is using is credited to Nerevar. Also in 3.0 I did experiment with all of the rotations available to me which included yours and I netted the best results with the zorz rotation. I apologize if you believe I am coming across as a troll that is not my intention, but if you are going to claim that your rotation is equivilant to another dummy parsing and imply that it performs better in raid I would like to see evidence of that, I would prefer you use your own rotation as evidence as well and not claim someone else's as your own.
This parse I was using hotwired rotation. I dont use adrenals in parsing.
Vadikos
Mercenary/Innovative Ordinance
6817.47 dps
http://parsely.io/parser/view/156355/0

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sevenfaced
04.16.2016 , 05:12 PM | #255
Quote: Originally Posted by Walpurulis View Post
This parse I was using hotwired rotation. I dont use adrenals in this parse either/
Vadikos
Mercenary/Innovative Ordinance
6817.47 dps
http://parsely.io/parser/view/156355/0
There we go thank you.
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Gyronamics
04.20.2016 , 08:12 PM | #256
Quote: Originally Posted by sevenfaced View Post
....He is not using your rotation as far as I can tell his dots are applied together while yours are applied in seperate rotations. I am pretty confident that the rotation he is using is credited to Nerevar. Also in 3.0 I did experiment with all of the rotations available to me which included yours and I netted the best results with the zorz rotation. I apologize if you believe I am coming across as a troll that is not my intention, but if you are going to claim that your rotation is equivilant to another dummy parsing and imply that it performs better in raid I would like to see evidence of that, I would prefer you use your own rotation as evidence as well and not claim someone else's as your own.
This is exactly the kind of thing which has alarm bells ringing for me because again it tell me you're not fully aware of the mechanics going on.

While I don't care less about wanting credit I know full well and tell anyone who asks that when you do a parse with THIS rotation it does not change your dps to rearrange the non-mechanical abilities around the reset procs which are set in stone.

Using Assault Plastique on cooldown and Full Auto as a reset are the defining features and no matter how you fiddle the rest, as long as correct priorities are kept, the parse damage is the same.

Nevertheless one of your members is one of our members and he says you're alright so you'll find if you do that parsely search again I have listed a parse which I fat fingered into having one default attack where it shouldn't be.

I still believe this is a waste of my time unless it was a badly phrased request for help in performing the rotation because without average parses the different TTK and different crit % on different abilities and ending at different points of the rotation all interfere with analysis. Not to mention not knowing the stats used.

But that is even more tedious than farming for hot parses.

As such, as I said before, you are the one who needs to be doing these parses and all you needed to do was show me how you were doing it so I could clarify if it was fine. Like dozens of people have done before and then were free to make their own mind up about pros and cons.
Hotwired

Niman, Tomb of Freedon Nadd, The Red Eclipse, Darth Malgus

2011 - The Immortals, The Lumberjacks, Nano, Not Good Enough, Disciples of Babylon, Salt Miners - 2018

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sevenfaced
04.21.2016 , 12:06 AM | #257
Quote: Originally Posted by Gyronamics View Post
This is exactly the kind of thing which has alarm bells ringing for me because again it tell me you're not fully aware of the mechanics going on.

While I don't care less about wanting credit I know full well and tell anyone who asks that when you do a parse with THIS rotation it does not change your dps to rearrange the non-mechanical abilities around the reset procs which are set in stone.

Using Assault Plastique on cooldown and Full Auto as a reset are the defining features and no matter how you fiddle the rest, as long as correct priorities are kept, the parse damage is the same.

Nevertheless one of your members is one of our members and he says you're alright so you'll find if you do that parsely search again I have listed a parse which I fat fingered into having one default attack where it shouldn't be.

I still believe this is a waste of my time unless it was a badly phrased request for help in performing the rotation because without average parses the different TTK and different crit % on different abilities and ending at different points of the rotation all interfere with analysis. Not to mention not knowing the stats used.

But that is even more tedious than farming for hot parses.

As such, as I said before, you are the one who needs to be doing these parses and all you needed to do was show me how you were doing it so I could clarify if it was fine. Like dozens of people have done before and then were free to make their own mind up about pros and cons.
Can i ask you how much alacrity you are running? You have a much higher apm than I am used to seeing and i dont think your 3 uses of power surge account for it.
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Gyronamics
04.21.2016 , 12:15 PM | #258
1110 alacrity and standard stim.

There's a technical reason for that number (could also have been 869 or 650) and using Tech Override in rotation.

Earlier this week it was 650, I change it for trivial reasons.
Hotwired

Niman, Tomb of Freedon Nadd, The Red Eclipse, Darth Malgus

2011 - The Immortals, The Lumberjacks, Nano, Not Good Enough, Disciples of Babylon, Salt Miners - 2018

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pivcelin
08.30.2016 , 11:14 PM | #259
Hello. After a few hours of dummy abuse I realised that I can't get my dps much higher than 5.5 - 5.7 on a mil or 1.5 mil dummy.
Gear is 220 token, only OH is 216. 1350ish crit, 850ish ala, 111 accuracy with accuracy stim. Tried swapping for extra accuracy augment and using versatile stim, didn't help matters.
I'd like to think that I'm using rotation and priority system somewhat accurate, albeit screwing up a bit in this parse. I noticed that I have a very low APM http://parsely.io/parser/view/201706
So, here's my cry for help ;-;

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pivcelin
08.30.2016 , 11:15 PM | #260
I also never have to resort to rapid shots because my heat never goes higher than 30 or so.