Seeing a host of threads from dps sorcs concerning the need of more buff for both dps sorcs specs i can't just ignore it (especially after seeing 4-8 whining threads about it which actually annoys). All dps sorcs arguments are based on parsley dumming, though it can't be an adequite source of information since many of them are using operation dummy which has its difference compared to warzone dummy (requires more accuracy for example to dps it correctly and other stat difference) and because we never know what are these sorcs using to get that parsley numbers or intensity of their dps (these guys may use low gear or low intensity during testing their dps on dummies). As a player who plays much on warzones, i can say that dps sorcs are doing pretty good now!

Real warzone fights can't lie and showing us that dps sorc can be r1-3 dpsers depending on skill,team and other circumstances (like all the other classes actually):

http://s018.radikal.ru/i509/1707/6a/bb9629628ee8.jpg

http://s019.radikal.ru/i637/1707/92/ef9a7d066817.jpg

http://s015.radikal.ru/i333/1707/d8/20cb23f7a8c8.jpg

http://s018.radikal.ru/i502/1707/6a/052d75274bdf.jpg

http://s018.radikal.ru/i504/1707/94/b88da58ecd16.jpg

http://s019.radikal.ru/i632/1707/94/f1e4d567329d.jpg

http://s008.radikal.ru/i303/1707/c1/75d8974b99fc.jpg

http://s41.radikal.ru/i091/1707/d2/35a466b869f0.jpg

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Bioware i hope you won't listen to subjective threads, and will test everything by yourself without making any new fotm class. This game have suffered enough from merc fotm and apparently will loose numerous subscribers when you make a new sorc fotm just due to many whining threads. Don't make another mistake with making new fotm, all classes must be balanced. Otherwise you will loose people very fast.

Seeing a host of threads from dps sorcs concerning the need of more buff for both dps sorcs specs i can't just ignore it (especially after seeing 4-8 whining threads about it which actually annoys). All dps sorcs arguments are based on parsley dumming, though it can't be an adequite source of information since many of them are using operation dummy which has its difference compared to warzone dummy (requires more accuracy for example to dps it correctly and other stat difference) and because we never know what are these sorcs using to get that parsley numbers or intensity of their dps (these guys may use low gear or low intensity during testing their dps on dummies). As a player who plays much on warzones, i can say that dps sorcs are doing pretty good now!

 

Real warzone fights can't lie and showing us that dps sorc can be r1-3 dpsers depending on skill,team and other circumstances (like all the other classes actually):

 

http://s018.radikal.ru/i509/1707/6a/bb9629628ee8.jpg

 

http://s019.radikal.ru/i637/1707/92/ef9a7d066817.jpg

 

http://s015.radikal.ru/i333/1707/d8/20cb23f7a8c8.jpg

 

http://s018.radikal.ru/i502/1707/6a/052d75274bdf.jpg

 

http://s018.radikal.ru/i504/1707/94/b88da58ecd16.jpg

 

http://s019.radikal.ru/i632/1707/94/f1e4d567329d.jpg

 

http://s008.radikal.ru/i303/1707/c1/75d8974b99fc.jpg

 

http://s41.radikal.ru/i091/1707/d2/35a466b869f0.jpg

 

http://i056.radikal.ru/1707/44/6bee94e9940d.jpg

 

 

Bioware i hope you won't listen to subjective threads, and will test everything by yourself without making any new fotm class. This game have suffered enough from merc fotm and apparently will loose numerous subscribers when you make a new sorc fotm just due to many whining threads. Don't make another mistake with making new fotm, all classes must be balanced. Otherwise you will loose people very fast.

You realize this is a subjective thread, right?

You realize this is a subjective thread, right?

Mercs whining threads also were subjactive and what the consequences? They were crying about bad defenses in numerous threads, and bioware instead of giving them a slight buff gave them a god mode lol. Such threads are covering great danger when developer team is incompetent.

Mercs whining threads also were subjactive and what the consequences? They were crying about bad defenses in numerous threads, and bioware instead of giving them a slight buff gave them a god mode lol. Such threads are covering great danger when developer team is incompetent.

So? You're doing the same. So this thread is just as useless. You've achieved nothing here.

So? You're doing the same. So this thread is just as useless. You've achieved nothing here.

It's useful since iam telling them not to repeat same mistake! A mistake of buffing one class too much so that this class becomes fotm lol. I made it because of numerous sorcs asking bioware to buff them even more than they received

At first I thought that said No to the new forum I was like what new forum dang.

Maybe one with Twitch emotes Kappa

Seeing a host of threads from dps sorcs concerning the need of more buff for both dps sorcs specs i can't just ignore it (especially after seeing 4-8 whining threads about it which actually annoys). All dps sorcs arguments are based on parsley dumming, though it can't be an adequite source of information since many of them are using operation dummy which has its difference compared to warzone dummy (requires more accuracy for example to dps it correctly and other stat difference) and because we never know what are these sorcs using to get that parsley numbers or intensity of their dps (these guys may use low gear or low intensity during testing their dps on dummies). As a player who plays much on warzones, i can say that dps sorcs are doing pretty good now!

 

Real warzone fights can't lie and showing us that dps sorc can be r1-3 dpsers depending on skill,team and other circumstances (like all the other classes actually):

 

http://s018.radikal.ru/i509/1707/6a/bb9629628ee8.jpg

 

http://s019.radikal.ru/i637/1707/92/ef9a7d066817.jpg

 

http://s015.radikal.ru/i333/1707/d8/20cb23f7a8c8.jpg

 

http://s018.radikal.ru/i502/1707/6a/052d75274bdf.jpg

 

http://s018.radikal.ru/i504/1707/94/b88da58ecd16.jpg

 

http://s019.radikal.ru/i632/1707/94/f1e4d567329d.jpg

 

http://s008.radikal.ru/i303/1707/c1/75d8974b99fc.jpg

 

http://s41.radikal.ru/i091/1707/d2/35a466b869f0.jpg

 

http://i056.radikal.ru/1707/44/6bee94e9940d.jpg

 

 

Bioware i hope you won't listen to subjective threads, and will test everything by yourself without making any new fotm class. This game have suffered enough from merc fotm and apparently will loose numerous subscribers when you make a new sorc fotm just due to many whining threads. Don't make another mistake with making new fotm, all classes must be balanced. Otherwise you will loose people very fast.

you should seek professional help for you insane hatred of sorcs. It is kind of eerie how you chase after sorcs like you are unbalanced. There is a new FOTM..its sent/mara

you should seek professional help for you insane hatred of sorcs. It is kind of eerie how you chase after sorcs like you are unbalanced. There is a new FOTM..its sent/mara

Really sentinels? The class with no/minimal self heals that's inherently designed to be a glass cannon? Fyi I play a vigi guardian. Sents/maras are literally the only advanced class I don't have (too attached to my guardians for whatever reason).

Are VG and guardian dps op now too since the merc/sniper nerf? I have little doubt that sorc dps is not anywhere near fotm.

Mercs whining threads also were subjactive and what the consequences? They were crying about bad defenses in numerous threads, and bioware instead of giving them a slight buff gave them a god mode lol..

Most threads complaining about Merc defensive's were also suggestion threads on how to improve those defensive abilities so that they actually worked. Merc was the automatic free kill in both regs and ranked, they hardly had any presence in ranked at all due to how terrible the DCDs were. You have an exceptionally short-term rose tinted glasses view of that don't you?

You'll also find most Mercs (the players that have played the class consistently since, forever) would agree that the combat team went "all in" with adding and upgrading those DCDs. We also knew going into 5.0 that they wouldn't stay as they were and would be nerfed into oblivion at some stage. 5.4 and onward will see those DCDs neutered, however if they're too harsh on doing that, guess what? You'll see a ton of threads asking for DCDs to be improved again.

To be fair, if you couldn't kill a Merc at the start of 5.0, then you will not kill them regardless, because you clearly couldn't adjust your gameplay enough and just went "derp DPS" on them.

Most threads complaining about Merc defensive's were also suggestion threads on how to improve those defensive abilities so that they actually worked. Merc was the automatic free kill in both regs and ranked, they hardly had any presence in ranked at all due to how terrible the DCDs were. You have an exceptionally short-term rose tinted glasses view of that don't you?

 

You'll also find most Mercs (the players that have played the class consistently since, forever) would agree that the combat team went "all in" with adding and upgrading those DCDs. We also knew going into 5.0 that they wouldn't stay as they were and would be nerfed into oblivion at some stage. 5.4 and onward will see those DCDs neutered, however if they're too harsh on doing that, guess what? You'll see a ton of threads asking for DCDs to be improved again.

 

To be fair, if you couldn't kill a Merc at the start of 5.0, then you will not kill them regardless, because you clearly couldn't adjust your gameplay enough and just went "derp DPS" on them.

I actually killed many mercs on my mara even when they got buffed, BUT only if i had all my cds ( including 10% burst buff). You know what? They were DAMN opped in defensive plan (yet they are still same but with lower dps). For example ill tell you one of my fights: i was fighting merc and did everything correct(used aoe when he used reflect, was kiting him when he used healing stacking shield (i believe it is called safeguards?), and i was fully dpsing him, AND YOU KNOW WHAT? In the end when i almost killed that guy used safeguard (healing stacking shield) AGAIN LOL. So he used it in the begining and used it in the end, you think it is ok? What cd they have on this damn shield?

That what happens when players are creating numerous whining threads about buffing a single class. Bioware developers who are not playing this game at all thinks this class needs a seriouse buff and gives them god mode. No thanks.

It's useful since iam telling them not to repeat same mistake! A mistake of buffing one class too much so that this class becomes fotm lol. I made it because of numerous sorcs asking bioware to buff them even more than they received

They have repeated this mistake for various classes over and over again. Do you really think this thread is going to change that? #ifeelbadforyou

Really sentinels? The class with no/minimal self heals that's inherently designed to be a glass cannon? Fyi I play a vigi guardian. Sents/maras are literally the only advanced class I don't have (too attached to my guardians for whatever reason).

 

Are VG and guardian dps op now too since the merc/sniper nerf? I have little doubt that sorc dps is not anywhere near fotm.

Thats the point. he chases around the forums trying to get sorcs/sages nerfed even more. They are not and will never be FOTM as long as bw keeps their current balancing philosophy.

Thats the point. he chases around the forums trying to get sorcs/sages nerfed even more. They are not and will never be FOTM as long as bw keeps their current balancing philosophy.

No, iam doing it as a reaction to numerous sorc threads which are demanding more buffs to this class. In this thread you cant see any messages about nerfing sorcs. There is only a message not to make it a new fotm. All classes must be balanced

They were crying about bad defenses in numerous threads, and bioware instead of giving them a slight buff gave them a god mode lol.

Interestingly, a similar thing happened to Sages.

So he used it in the begining and used it in the end, you think it is ok? What cd they have on this damn shield?

I would imagine that merc was using Energy Rebounder utility, which lowers the CD on Energy Shield by 3s every 1.5s while taking damage. Also, I'll point out going 1v1 vs a merc you do have the ability to escape if the fight is going south, heal up and return, but instead you decided to derp DPS. So you didn't do everything correctly

That what happens when players are creating numerous whining threads about buffing a single class. Bioware developers who are not playing this game at all thinks this class needs a seriouse buff and gives them god mode. No thanks.

I think you'll find they'll look at the metrics, base a decision from that, adjust if needed.

Edit: Thought I'd also point out Mercs didn't really complain about DCDs up until our heals got neutered or quite simply removed.

Thats the point. he chases around the forums trying to get sorcs/sages nerfed even more. They are not and will never be FOTM as long as bw keeps their current balancing philosophy.

Take a look in the Sorc forums, they're calling for wide spread nerfs across the board for certain classes. You know what those classes are?

mDPS. All of them.

As a sorc supporter, I cannot believe the amount of nerf melee that is coming out of that class forum. They nerf rDPS and all of a sudden mDPS are all OP.

When you start calling for nerfs on everyone around you, you can expect to see posts likes his.

I don't think they did right by Sorcs, not by a long shot. But you don't try and improve your lot by claiming classes that haven't even been touched are suddenly OPed or buy trying to rip everyone else down. That rubs people the wrong way especially when you've been on their side.

I would imagine that merc was using Energy Rebounder utility, which lowers the CD on Energy Shield by 3s every 1.5s while taking damage. Also, I'll point out going 1v1 vs a merc you do have the ability to escape if the fight is going south, heal up and return, but instead you decided to derp DPS. So you didn't do everything correctly

 

 

 

Yeah, nice joke if i run away in camouflage he will also run away doing what he intended to do before i attacked him so - the fight is over. Besides, if i leave him for so long, merc will have all his cds reseted again

I don't think they did right by Sorcs, not by a long shot. But you don't try and improve your lot by claiming classes that haven't even been touched are suddenly OPed or buy trying to rip everyone else down. That rubs people the wrong way especially when you've been on their side.

It's a bit of a kneejerk reaction isn't it? I mean, they saw people complain about sorcs/sages and the nerfs came various times. I guess then they figure that if they can complain about the others then maybe it will work that way as well.

The core of the issue is still the huge difference between PvE and PvP gameplay and what's required there. Whereas in PvP a dps burst can take down an opponent in mere seconds, especially if that opponent has been stunned, that will never kill a boss in an Operation. So in PvP, since it's a team sport, this can happent hat you get stunned and some melee jumps in and smashes you and your light armour into the ground without you being able to do anything about it. So people might consider that op even when it's not. But no matter what game I play, there's nothing worse than stunlock to take the fun out of PvP.

There's too much stun in SWTOR as well so I don't care about it. So ok, then I don't PvP much and that's ok. But then because people are always crying in PvP, these changes come in making life more difficult in PvE. So I really wish players would understand that there is no such thing as class balance in MMO PvP. You can cry for it, but you'll never get it. Just a shame that PvE has to be janked with the same chain each time these nerfs or balances happen.

I mean I'll live with my sorc/sage healers. I'll adapt but it's a game for a wider audience and I get that changes like this really can affect a lot of people and take the fun out of it.

And overall it doesn't make the game more fun either. So there's very little win in these balancing actions they do and I think: why bother?

I guess it gives people the idea that what they want might still come true some day.

There's too much stun in SWTOR.

Very very true. If the combat team wanted to do anything to truly improve PvP it would be to lessen the amount of stuns to make the play more fluid. Resolve as it currently works is useless, as well as not being consistent across stun usage for different classes.

adjust your gameplay enough....

^^ The most important words in this whole discussion thread.

MMOs change over time, particularly class features, skills, and mechanics. Adapt and overcome..... or curl up and fail. The choice rests with the player.

I learned years ago in DAoC to not get too worked up about specific class balance changes. Why? Because in that PvP centric game I saw many cases of very good players playing known underpowered classes, and mopping the floor with their opponents. I also saw many cases of poor players playing the known FoTM (and there were many over the years in DAoC) and losing to every underpowered class they came up against. And I am referring to players of equal Realm Rank.. so please don't go there.

Very very true. If the combat team wanted to do anything to truly improve PvP it would be to lessen the amount of stuns to make the play more fluid. Resolve as it currently works is useless, as well as not being consistent across stun usage for different classes.

I totally agree, the amount of stuns, slows, roots, mezzes, throws and pulls that get thrown around in PVP is utterly ridiculous. PVP would be more enjoyable if CCs weren't so frequently used

No, iam doing it as a reaction to numerous sorc threads which are demanding more buffs to this class. In this thread you cant see any messages about nerfing sorcs. There is only a message not to make it a new fotm. All classes must be balanced

I agree that it is wise to be vigilant, we certainly don't want to create any new OP classes by too much buffing, but I don't think we are in danger presently of Sorcs being OP.