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No More Disney Star Wars References in this EU Game

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boosterexo
12.11.2019 , 12:34 PM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by Ylliarus View Post
On a more serious note though, seriously, what's the difference. It's all Star Wars and any form of divide is completely arbitrary and artificial. You're limiting and ruining your enjoyment of Star Wars yourself. Disney is not doing that, Bioware is not doing that, no one is doing that except you yourself.
Disney has no understanding of the Force, lightsabers, and especially not superweapons. You cannot turn a whole planet into a weapon and destroy an entire system on the other side of the galaxy. As for the Force, Disney is just making it up as they go along. Grabbing and holding a blaster bolt in midair? Lifting up your hand and reading someone's mind? Come on! So no, it's not all Star Wars.

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Wolfninjajedi
12.11.2019 , 03:07 PM | #52
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Disney has no understanding of the Force, lightsabers, and especially not superweapons. You cannot turn a whole planet into a weapon and destroy an entire system on the other side of the galaxy. As for the Force, Disney is just making it up as they go along. Grabbing and holding a blaster bolt in midair? Lifting up your hand and reading someone's mind? Come on! So no, it's not all Star Wars.
I mean grabbing a blaster bolt isn't that crazy compared to other Force powers we have seen in SW History, it's basically just an application of TK, it's just impractical really.

Also reading someone's mind like that was a thing previously, Drain Knowledge it's called. Although more powerful Force Users could do it without the hand gesture.
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Ylliarus
12.11.2019 , 07:04 PM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by boosterexo View Post
Disney has no understanding of the Force, lightsabers, and especially not superweapons. You cannot turn a whole planet into a weapon and destroy an entire system on the other side of the galaxy. As for the Force, Disney is just making it up as they go along. Grabbing and holding a blaster bolt in midair? Lifting up your hand and reading someone's mind? Come on! So no, it's not all Star Wars.
Oh, and creating a Force Storm out of nowhere in space that swallows up a whole fleet of ships and teleports Luke Skywalker from Coruscant across the galaxy to Palpatine Reborn like happened in the Dark Empire comics from old EU continuity, that's all fine and good then? Legends EU has crazy, unbelievable and overpowered powers as well and somehow I don't see you complaining about the crazy stuff they did there.

Grabbing a blaster bolt with the Force is called Force Freeze or Stasis, it was used in the old Legends continuity all the time, long before Disney showed it in Episode 7. Lifting your hand and reading their mind? Yeah, we have that in Legends too, it's called Mind/Memory Drain and thus also not Disney's idea. As for blowing up stuff from across the galaxy, oh boy, oh boy, I guess you never heard about the Hyperspace Canon from Legends continuity! And if you find Starkiller Base unrealistic, I better shouldn't tell you about the sentient planet that travelled across the galaxy at will called Zonama Sekot... yeah, that was Legends EU too, before Disney ever touched Star Wars. And don't get me started on the disaster that was Abeloth or Luke Skywalker's insane clone who was called Luuke Skywalker.

Every single thing you mentioned has literally been covered before in the Star Wars mythos. Sure, Legends continuity might have named it differently in some occasions, but the concepts come down to the same thing. So Disney didn't come up with all of that, it's been in Star Wars before Disney even thought of buying the franchise. It was all part of the Expanded Universe, which people praise as if it was flawless and perfect, but absolutely was not.
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DarthVitrial
12.11.2019 , 11:10 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Ylliarus View Post
Small things that have absolutely no major consequences for the entirety of the game or the lore of it, but because OP has an obsession on this subject, it's a problem. This wouldn't even have been a problem if the OP didn't make one out of it, which again proves and shows that the entire divide between the Legends EU and Disney canon is completely and utterly artificial. It's a problem because people make a problem out of it where there was none before. The Legends EU and Disney canon can quietly exist side by side and even merrily intertwine, but no, a few butthurts have to make an issue out of it because they don't like it. What's next? People who are on a diet will forbid others from eating cookies and chocolate?
A better analogy would be that the people with a peanut allergy request that you please stop adding peanuts to the food theyíre currently eating.
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12.12.2019 , 12:18 PM | #55
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A better analogy would be that the people with a peanut allergy request that you please stop adding peanuts to the food theyíre currently eating.
I fail to see how that analogy is in any way fitting. The Disney canon isn't inherently bad, people make it bad for themselves, period. They choose not to like it, they choose to be offended by it. A diet is something you usually choose as well. A peanut allergy is not something you choose, so as an analogy it absolutely fails to hit the mark.
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DarthVitrial
12.12.2019 , 12:43 PM | #56
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I fail to see how that analogy is in any way fitting. The Disney canon isn't inherently bad, people make it bad for themselves, period. They choose not to like it, they choose to be offended by it. A diet is something you usually choose as well. A peanut allergy is not something you choose, so as an analogy it absolutely fails to hit the mark.
I didnít ďchooseĒ to find Force Awakens the single worst piece of fiction Iíve ever seen. I went in there excited, came out miserable, and itís only gotten worse since then. SWTOR is the last ongoing eu story, my one and only refuge from Disneyís butchering of canon, killing of major characters for shock value, retcons of how the force works, and the sort of stupid badly written villains and super weapons the eu moved on from decades ago.

I purchased SWTOR pre-Disney. The story was explicitly not Disney canon. Adding Disney elements to it now is the equivalent of a restaurant adding ingredients you hate to a meal after you already bought it and started eating.

Now, Iím not overly upset by the mention of tea or something, it just worries me that itís a trend of them adding more and more Disney elements going forward. A brand of tea can be ignored. A flashpoint on Jaaku cannot, and thatís what worries me - that theyíre testing the waters and will be adding more and more Disney to it in future.
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12.12.2019 , 02:50 PM | #57
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I didnít ďchooseĒ to find Force Awakens the single worst piece of fiction Iíve ever seen. I went in there excited, came out miserable, and itís only gotten worse since then. SWTOR is the last ongoing eu story, my one and only refuge from Disneyís butchering of canon, killing of major characters for shock value, retcons of how the force works, and the sort of stupid badly written villains and super weapons the eu moved on from decades ago.

I purchased SWTOR pre-Disney. The story was explicitly not Disney canon. Adding Disney elements to it now is the equivalent of a restaurant adding ingredients you hate to a meal after you already bought it and started eating.

Now, Iím not overly upset by the mention of tea or something, it just worries me that itís a trend of them adding more and more Disney elements going forward. A brand of tea can be ignored. A flashpoint on Jaaku cannot, and thatís what worries me - that theyíre testing the waters and will be adding more and more Disney to it in future.
If you think TFA is the single worst piece of fiction you've ever seen you either:

a.) Haven't seen much faction

b.) are exaggerating
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DarthVitrial
12.12.2019 , 03:35 PM | #58
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If you think TFA is the single worst piece of fiction you've ever seen you either:

a.) Haven't seen much faction

b.) are exaggerating
Neither.
I literally cannot describe how much I hate that movie. I was miserable for a solid month after seeing it before accepting that Disney had told me I wasnít wanted anymore. Star Wars meant a lot to me growing up, it was my childhood in a huge way. I was the die hard fan, the one who owned literally every single expanded universe book, comic, game, and Rp supplement, and force awakens went out of its way to stomp on every theme the original trilogy had. It retconned the eu out of existence and filled itself with horrible, low quality ripoffs of the characters and stories it had just said no longer existed.
Im sure last Jedi is worse, but I wouldnít know. I wasnít going to spend money to see a sequel to the worst movie I ever saw.
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12.12.2019 , 04:24 PM | #59
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... but no, a few butthurts have to make an issue out of it because they don't like it.
Well, if I donít like something I can talk about it, right? You can disagree. Discussion starts. Forums work as intended. No need to be mad about ďbutthurtsĒ having an opinion thatís different from yours.

You may not care about this "imaginary issue" or you may think that itís something positive. Itís okay.

But for me (and a few others) this small stupid thing is important because I (and a few others) happened to not like the current state of the franchise I (we) love. I'm sure no one wants to hear a sob story about myself trying to get into Disneyís take on Star Wars since 2014 and not being able to because everything I touched turned out to be mediocre at best or straight garbage at worst (anyone remembers Forces of Destiny?). But hey, look, they only just started! give them credit! they actually make movies! Lucasfilm was dying anyway! EU was just a huge pile of garbage with few good things! Star Wars in general is a huge pile of stupid garbage for kids, what did you expect? don't focus on things you hate, focus on things you love! move on!

Itís not even about EU being cancelled and de-canonized, itís about EU, despite all its flaws, being replaced with mediocre and controversial content that keeps telling me ďgo away, thereís nothing for you, no need to hang aroundĒ. Lucasfilm representatives continuously making statements about ďtoxic fansĒ donít help either.

Separating new canon from 1991-2014 content is what keeps my inner Star Wars fan sane. You just convince yourself that Disney stuff is alternate universe. Luckily itís not that hard since these two timelines contradict a lot on continuity level: lots of events that occured in them are mutually exclusive, characters share names and appearances but not biographies, planets share names but not geography and history. More importantly, there are concepts that work in one timeline and donít work in another like bleeding crystals, or understanding Balance in the Force as equal amount of DS and LS Force users and stating it as an objective truth. Nah, this divide is not artificial at all. Itís quite natural.

I actually moved on and stopped bothering about new stuff. SWTOR is the only Star Wars project I was following since the release of TLJ, mostly because itís one of the best experiences I ever had as a Star Wars fan and I do care about it a lot, but also because itís the only project that still continues EU continuity and exists within EU lore. Itís only natural that I donít want the only remnant of good olí days (even though they werenít always that good) reminding me of alternate timeline I try to keep away from for the sake of my sanity.

Typing this wall of text wonít affect anything. Whatever happens, happens. But if you have a strong feeling about something it's worth expressing anyway.

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jedimasterjac
12.12.2019 , 05:15 PM | #60
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Neither.
I literally cannot describe how much I hate that movie. I was miserable for a solid month after seeing it before accepting that Disney had told me I wasnít wanted anymore. Star Wars meant a lot to me growing up, it was my childhood in a huge way. I was the die hard fan, the one who owned literally every single expanded universe book, comic, game, and Rp supplement, and force awakens went out of its way to stomp on every theme the original trilogy had. It retconned the eu out of existence and filled itself with horrible, low quality ripoffs of the characters and stories it had just said no longer existed.
Im sure last Jedi is worse, but I wouldnít know. I wasnít going to spend money to see a sequel to the worst movie I ever saw.
It honestly sounds like you need to consult a therapist, dude.
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