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Kaggath Battlegrounds Heats - Galactic Alliance vs Phantom Hegemony

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Kaggath Battlegrounds Heats - Galactic Alliance vs Phantom Hegemony

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Canino
10.19.2014 , 01:28 PM | #821
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
I'm sorry, but I don't think Tholme is going to be able to 'cut himself off from the Force' in this situation. IIRC, that was something he used as a last resort. If he could just do it anytime he pleased, Quinlan Vos would have never found him and Sora Bulq would have never sensed him. It's obvious that doing something like that is ver circumstantial.
Except he later faked his death in front of Bulq, and then arose and fought him, all without Bulq ever realizing.

And when did Bulq ever sense Tholme?

And do I really need to say that Anzanti>Imperial Agent everyday day of the week?
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Beniboybling
10.19.2014 , 01:34 PM | #822
Quote: Originally Posted by karadron View Post
Bel Iblis is a commander used to dealing with numbers being against him and the terrain around Fort Garnik can play to his favor considering that it would seem that the PH intends to move almost its entire force to Mannett Point from its base. Of course such a move would require them to pass in close proximity to the base and in doing so tip off the GA on where they are heading.
Nothing is stopping them from moving at a wide arc around the base, equipped with sensor jammers.

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Beniboybling
10.19.2014 , 01:35 PM | #823
Quote: Originally Posted by Canino View Post
LE-series repair droid: one of the best ever made, not used by the CIS.

Goose droid:nothing special, and again, not used by the CIS.

MK-series maintenance droid: although a techno Union droid, it doesn't have any documented use with the Techno Union or the CIS. All use is with the Empire or Rebellion.

KDY-4 tech droid: Another good droid, but was only ever used by KDY during the Imperial Reign.

There are others, but nothing that can repair a bridge without a mechanic and other tech/droids/a space station.The best thing you can have, unless you can find a source, are mouse droids, which don't do ship/hull damage repair.
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Aurbere
10.19.2014 , 01:44 PM | #824
Quote: Originally Posted by Canino View Post
Except he later faked his death in front of Bulq, and then arose and fought him, all without Bulq ever realizing.

And when did Bulq ever sense Tholme?

And do I really need to say that Anzanti>Imperial Agent everyday day of the week?
I can get the exact quote if you want it, but Bulq says that he sensed Tholme faintly in the Force.
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Aurbere
10.19.2014 , 01:46 PM | #825
About the bridge of the Malevolence, I'm sure if they can get the bridge sealed off from the vacuum of space (via Ray Shield or something like that), then they would be able to operate on it after some repairs.
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Canino
10.19.2014 , 02:02 PM | #826
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
OK back on topic I'd like to address two things.

1. Repairing the Malevolence.

If the damage is too great for onboard repair droids to fix the bridge, there is no need to ship the Malevolence all the way to Geonosis. Between Ziro, Baktoid and Imperial Intelligence I am sure that they can acquire the necessary parts and have them shipped to Ord Mantell in good time. And if need be send some techs to have them fitted.

Its not going to be an issue, and once the Malevolence is up and running it can defend Ord Mantell alone. Freeing up the remaining fleet to protect Geonosis and be ready to move against the Bothans if diplomacy proves unsuccessful.
While I'm sure this could happen, it would still take time, time that the PH doesn't have. Garm and Palleon know that the Malevolence is crippled, and know that it is more than capable of destroying their fleet if not stopped. They would act immediately to either destroy it, or, even more likely, to take it over.

Tholme, being the genius he is, would likely concoct the plan to take over the Malevolence. If taken, it could easily destroy the remaining PH fleet, and and add onto the rest of the GA fleet, making the fleet unstoppable.

And, considering Grevious would be on the ground at this point, nothing is really going to stop him. Sure, Carbonite War Droids are strong, but Tholme could likely evade those, or wreck them with TK. Hell, if Jaina joins him, together they would make short work of the guards.

And I think Ziro is an interesting Hutt to use. Mainly because he doesn't bring anything to the table that other Hutts don't have, except his ability to be assassinated by gunshot. And considering Tholmes assassin background, it could easily be arranged to hire someone to remove the Hutt.


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2. Infiltrating the Separatist Base, I don't think the Alliance has the capabilities to pull this off effectively, here's why.

Firstly, Alliance SpecForce are not designed for this, they are elite troops, but they are not infiltrators, they are front lines troops. They have no specialized means of avoiding detection, and no experience in doing so, whatsoever.
While this is true, they would act as a perfect distraction for the 501st, which is made up of specialists. Some are undoubtedly infiltrators.

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Lumiya will see it coming. Lumiya is a master strategist and herself a highly qualified Imperial agent. She will consider every angle, and she will be prepared for every eventuality. And she will soon gain knowledge of Tholme and Jaina's existence. Especially if she manages to gain Bothan support, and as the Alliance is slowly inflitrated by informants and spies they may even get word of the plan itself, and so she'll put various countermeasures in place.
Imperial agents, sadly, loses out to Anzati. Everyday. All day.

She might consider all the angles, but Tholme is more than a match for her. He was trained by the master of masters; the assassin of assassins, and has fought and killed more Anzati than likely anyone in galactic history (they rarely fight, and almost never lose). And do you not think Tholme will realize that the Bothans are the weak link? That also ties into taking over the Malevolence- take it down, and the Bothans, as a people, survive. And they stay with the Alliance.

And I believe Tholme is more than capable of staying in the shadows. Imperial Intel has never found him, and Grievous, Savage, or Ziro never had any contact with him. He is a spymater- not an easy person to be found. Hell he hid from Imperial Intelligence during the Purge, and was never found or killed. He died of old age.


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Indeed she is well versed in setting lethal traps, and with the help of Imperial Intelligence security will be state of the art, it won't be enough for Jaina to simply shut down a few cameras. They'll have to evade motion detectors, laser alarm systems, hidden pressure plates, surveillance drones, get through ray shields, blast doors, pit fall traps etc.

And of course, every possible target will be well guarded and littered with traps waiting to be sprung.

It will be Lumiya's intellect against there's, and in my opinion she comes out on top. At the very least if they manage to get to Lumiya and confront her she will already know they are coming and be well prepared for a showdown.
All of these things are going to have to come into the system. All of these things can be removed form the equation once the Malevolence is taken over, and GA space superiority is secured. Hell, just leave the Malevolence, and send the fleet to Geonosis or Bastion, neutralizing the threat of any supplies/agents coming in.

And IIRC Lumiya's saving grace was her lightwhip- and I'm sure Jaina/Tholme know how to fight against one.
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Canino
10.19.2014 , 02:03 PM | #827
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
I can get the exact quote if you want it, but Bulq says that he sensed Tholme faintly in the Force.
I would appreciate it

I think I know what quote your referencing, but I can't recall where it's from, and thus, can't find it.
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Aurbere
10.19.2014 , 02:15 PM | #828
Quote: Originally Posted by Canino View Post
I would appreciate it

I think I know what quote your referencing, but I can't recall where it's from, and thus, can't find it.
"I felt something...faintly... in the Force. I should have known it was you, Tholme."

I can understand the argument that his proximity to Tholme aided his ability to detect him, but I would argue that a considerably more powerful and advanced Force user would be able to sense him.
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Canino
10.19.2014 , 02:22 PM | #829
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
"I felt something...faintly... in the Force. I should have known it was you, Tholme."

I can understand the argument that his proximity to Tholme aided his ability to detect him, but I would argue that a considerably more powerful and advanced Force user would be able to sense him.
Do you have the source that's from? Just for my sanity?! I can't find it in my collection?!?!

And I would agree with the proximity argument, although yours does make sense. But does Lumiya have any feats of Force Sense? Because all this proves is that Bulq was quite adapt at using Force Sense, which would make sense, as he was also capable of hiding his own presence (Rancisis, anyone?).
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Aurbere
10.19.2014 , 02:25 PM | #830
Quote: Originally Posted by Canino View Post
Do you have the source that's from? Just for my sanity?! I can't find it in my collection?!?!

And I would agree with the proximity argument, although yours does make sense. But does Lumiya have any feats of Force Sense? Because all this proves is that Bulq was quite adapt at using Force Sense, which would make sense, as he was also capable of hiding his own presence (Rancisis, anyone?).
Trackdown, I think.

I think Lumiya's mastery of mental manipulation and various other abilities would indicate great skill in the Sense category. So it is possible she could sense him.
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"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus