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What character do you hate the most? *Spoilers*

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What character do you hate the most? *Spoilers*

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Allronix
10.24.2020 , 04:07 PM | #31
Let's just cut right to the chase and go Vitiate/Valkorian/whatever the kriff he's calling himself this week.

I've snarked about this on Reddit and other spots. If Rey is a Sue, she's a three inch pocket knife of Sue. Vitiate is the freaking "I'm totally compensating" Buster Sword of Sue. Grossly overpowered compared to everything else in the setting (conquered a continent and imprisoned Daddy in a holocron at AGE 10?! Bantha $@!$%!), has some Artifact of Intelligence Drain on everyone else in the setting (what was done to Revan and Exile was CRIMINAL - you mean to tell me the alleged tactical geniuses behind the defeat of the Mando'ade were so STUPID they walked into an obvious trap with NO contingency plans or attempt to WARN the Republic, thus ensuring the Pubs got caught with their pants down?! Not to mention why hasn't any Darths wondered what the nine hells he's up to. And then there's Senya, who REALLY got hammered with the effect...), rubbishly boring motivation, bloviating speeches (though DePaul did a great job almost making them sound good), and basically twirling his mustache manipulating people that should be smarter and being annoying as hell.

Worse, since that overpowered Stu has pulled a "Fooled you! I ain't dead!" twice already, I really don't think he's going to STAY dead as long as they need some go-to baddie off the shelf.
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Bxvx
10.24.2020 , 05:54 PM | #32
I agree more of a backstory of some kind would of been nice to see for him instead of just the very little bit we got. I hate how everyone has a super hard on for the Alliance Commander like we are the worst thing in the world, we saved the galaxy from Valkorion trying to destroy it, we helped you. Every Zakuulan rides Valkorions nuts like hes the best thing ever, granted it's said that he never showed his true form to Zakuul. But that's like the one thing that irked me the most about every Zakuulan in the game pretty much. Like doing the FE/ET again and again after so many times already from alts I find myself like responding to Koth in cutscenes like F U F U lol!!

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ceryxp
10.24.2020 , 09:06 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Bxvx View Post
I agree more of a backstory of some kind would of been nice to see for him instead of just the very little bit we got. I hate how everyone has a super hard on for the Alliance Commander like we are the worst thing in the world, we saved the galaxy from Valkorion trying to destroy it, we helped you. Every Zakuulan rides Valkorions nuts like hes the best thing ever, granted it's said that he never showed his true form to Zakuul. But that's like the one thing that irked me the most about every Zakuulan in the game pretty much. Like doing the FE/ET again and again after so many times already from alts I find myself like responding to Koth in cutscenes like F U F U lol!!
To be fair, Valkorion fostered within the people of Zakuul a sense of hero worship. Valkorion had been Emperor for centuries and all Zakuulans were taught that it was Valkorion who saved them. It was Valkorion who lifted them up, who took them to the stars, who built their entire society. Without Valkorion they would not be where they are or have what they have. Valkorion was their god-king.

This was the impetus for my earlier comment regarding Vinn Atrius. Vinn was raised in this culture that worshiped Valkorion. Prior to joining Vaylin's Horizon Guard Vinn was also a Knight of Zakuul. The Knights, as told by Lana or Senya (I do not remember which) believe that their strength in the Force comes from their devotion and service to Valkorion. I imagine that Valkorion's supposed death caused quite the existential crisis for many a Knight of Zakuul. Then you have the juxtaposed leadership styles of Valkorion and Arcann where, under Arcann, the primary mission of the Knights, that of imposing justice within the Empire, becomes perverted and twisted to fuel Arcann's juvenile tirade.

Like Vaylin and Koth, Vinn was a product of their environment. Both Koth and Vinn were raised in this society that taught that Valkorion was their savior, their god-king. We see it with the refugees in the swamp that Valkorion's "death" shook the very foundation of Zakuulan ego. Their entire sense of "self" was called into question. Then Arcann comes to power and goes on their rampage across the galaxy. Koth saw Arcann for the tyrant they were and refused to follow unjust orders. Vinn was a Knight in service to the throne and the Emperor. Even moreso than Koth, Vinn's existence depended upon the throne and the person sitting upon it. Unlike Koth, it would not be so easy for Vinn to just walk away. Arcann's corruption of the Knight's justice likely broke Vinn. For both Vinn and Koth, it all started with the Outlander, but Koth could turn away in a way that Vinn could not. Where Koth found hope for a reversal of the damage done by Arcann Vinn only saw the root cause that brought down Zakuul and the Knights.

In my first play through of Fallen Empire I did not like Koth. It was only after I had played the story a few times, after I had afforded more attention to the history of Zakuul and to Valkorion's relationship with Zakuul, that I began to understand Koth. That understanding extended to Vinn. They are the same. It is quite understandable that if one does not like Koth that they will not like Vinn.

In my headcanon I have decided that my Alliance Commander, my main Jedi Sage, took Vinn back to Odessen and worked to rehabilitate them. In my Alliance Commander's stronghold on Alderaan I setup a secluded camp and placed the Vinn deco to signify that, whilst Vinn has not joined the Alliance, Vinn has begun that journey back to themself.
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Bxvx
10.24.2020 , 10:09 PM | #34
Ya I disliked Koth right away first time I met him, but after like the 20th time through it he kind of grew on me. I only actually killed him on 1 toon just to have a toon that did it really, I actually have not killed Senya or Arcann before, I was planning on doing it on the same one I killed Koth on but when I got to shooting them down I just didn't do it for whatever reason. Kind of like just having a surplus of random companions even if I don't or won't ever use them outside of the story. I actually like both Senya and Arcann probably why I haven't yet.

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FlameYOL
10.25.2020 , 08:57 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by ceryxp View Post
To be fair, Valkorion fostered within the people of Zakuul a sense of hero worship. Valkorion had been Emperor for centuries and all Zakuulans were taught that it was Valkorion who saved them. It was Valkorion who lifted them up, who took them to the stars, who built their entire society. Without Valkorion they would not be where they are or have what they have. Valkorion was their god-king.

This was the impetus for my earlier comment regarding Vinn Atrius. Vinn was raised in this culture that worshiped Valkorion. Prior to joining Vaylin's Horizon Guard Vinn was also a Knight of Zakuul. The Knights, as told by Lana or Senya (I do not remember which) believe that their strength in the Force comes from their devotion and service to Valkorion. I imagine that Valkorion's supposed death caused quite the existential crisis for many a Knight of Zakuul. Then you have the juxtaposed leadership styles of Valkorion and Arcann where, under Arcann, the primary mission of the Knights, that of imposing justice within the Empire, becomes perverted and twisted to fuel Arcann's juvenile tirade.

Like Vaylin and Koth, Vinn was a product of their environment. Both Koth and Vinn were raised in this society that taught that Valkorion was their savior, their god-king. We see it with the refugees in the swamp that Valkorion's "death" shook the very foundation of Zakuulan ego. Their entire sense of "self" was called into question. Then Arcann comes to power and goes on their rampage across the galaxy. Koth saw Arcann for the tyrant they were and refused to follow unjust orders. Vinn was a Knight in service to the throne and the Emperor. Even moreso than Koth, Vinn's existence depended upon the throne and the person sitting upon it. Unlike Koth, it would not be so easy for Vinn to just walk away. Arcann's corruption of the Knight's justice likely broke Vinn. For both Vinn and Koth, it all started with the Outlander, but Koth could turn away in a way that Vinn could not. Where Koth found hope for a reversal of the damage done by Arcann Vinn only saw the root cause that brought down Zakuul and the Knights.

In my first play through of Fallen Empire I did not like Koth. It was only after I had played the story a few times, after I had afforded more attention to the history of Zakuul and to Valkorion's relationship with Zakuul, that I began to understand Koth. That understanding extended to Vinn. They are the same. It is quite understandable that if one does not like Koth that they will not like Vinn.

In my headcanon I have decided that my Alliance Commander, my main Jedi Sage, took Vinn back to Odessen and worked to rehabilitate them. In my Alliance Commander's stronghold on Alderaan I setup a secluded camp and placed the Vinn deco to signify that, whilst Vinn has not joined the Alliance, Vinn has begun that journey back to themself.
Honestly this is such a good background it makes me wish even harder that Fractured Alliances had been its own expansion so we could get more Vinn Atrius development, maybe interaction with him and Koth if he is left alive after KOTET.
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Ner_idia
10.25.2020 , 04:05 PM | #36
I don't really mind Harkun, though it took me a while to figure out what his role really is. He's the Sith version of a drill sergeant, making sure that those who can't cut it don't make it. Of course, not "making it" has more dramatic consequences for Sith than Jedi.

My biggest beef with Koth isn't the hero worship, it's that he seems to have the idea in his head that HE'S THE HERO. Which annoyed my Sorceress to the point of running him through in KOTET.