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Slicing post-nerf, please look at the numbers BW
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Drewser
01.11.2012 , 06:41 PM | #101
Quote: Originally Posted by Dorkfrey View Post
How do I make more CPM than a slicer:

Run a rank 1 mission, to get reward (that I know the mission reward will give me the correct mats from making notes on the results of missions previous, to have worked out a credit/cost basis), convert the mats into green items, vendor them. Or buy off the GTN if they cost below a certain threshold and craft and vendor.

If you cannot grasp this - keep posting.

You're also chuckleworthy, but not for good reasons.

p.s. And no - I'm not telling you my niche recipes, because as soon as I do, the value on certain materials that are undervalued will increase as others realise it. Suffice to say - that 90-125 cpm is about right on the mark - depending on results.
And a slicer could buy those same mats from reds made on missions run and make the same goods and turn the same profit.

So you think 5400 to 7500 an hour is going to come close to a 400 slicer...

I made 3-4x as much in the last hour just from the one mission drop.

But keep up the humorous posts I find them enjoyable.

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Dorkfrey
01.11.2012 , 06:51 PM | #102
Quote: Originally Posted by Drewser View Post
And a slicer could buy those same mats from reds made on missions run and make the same goods and turn the same profit.

So you think 5400 to 7500 an hour is going to come close to a 400 slicer...

I made 3-4x as much in the last hour just from the one mission drop.

But keep up the humorous posts I find them enjoyable.
Again, you ignore - to your lacking, the actual results of missions as a comparison.

Tell us all, what is the cost/results of slicing missions that don't crit.

Because in this - I've only got two of my three companions running. If you can't see the gaping hole - in slicing, you never will.

So, you sold a mission drop - that YOU GET EVERY HOUR, at least 1 of, even though there's slicers who don't get that in a day. Sorry - but you're talking complete and utter rubbish. YOU'RE A LIAR. You might have got a drop and sold it. But - you cannot see past your lucky crit, or the fact that not every server will have the same economy as you. You are small minded.

If you had not got that drop, and sold it. Who would have made more from missions? For cost/time.

Had you not got that lucky crit, who'd have made more, my lowbie, or your 400 skill Slicer. And by how much, considering that I KNOW the data that average missions represent.

And that - Sunshine, is what you fail to grasp. And will continue to fail to grasp.

Had you NOT got the crit. That you have guaranteed you get, every hour, as clockwork. While others with high affection report vastly differing results. So, either - you should be playing the lottery, or you're not telling the truth.

Actually - I'm done talking to you. You cannot see beyond your own basic flaws in your judgement. Insult me more, that's your highground mate, because your "facts" are able as watertight as a sieve.

At the end of the day - data - hard facts, disagree with you. There's plenty of slicing spreadsheets out there, that display the data, and when you correlate credit cost/return, they all match up. Except for you. You make us all look bad, because you earn more than you can spend. You get guaranteed crits, on missions, that some folk go for a day's worth of slicing and not get. That's fine, I get it. You're special.

I'm tired of doing this, you can win by sheer fact, that I'd rather play the game, than argue facts, with your opinions and lies. Data says: You get these returns from missions. You won't answer the question. You say you get Crits every hour. Keep doing it then, since no one else can.

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Drewser
01.11.2012 , 07:00 PM | #103
Quote: Originally Posted by Dorkfrey View Post
Again, you ignore - to your lacking, the actual results of missions as a comparison.

Tell us all, what is the cost/results of slicing missions that don't crit.

Because in this - I've only got two of my three companions running. If you can't see the gaping hole - in slicing, you never will.

So, you sold a mission drop - that YOU GET EVERY HOUR, at least 1 of, even though there's slicers who don't get that in a day. Sorry - but you're talking complete and utter rubbish. YOU'RE A LIAR. You might have got a drop and sold it. But - you cannot see past your lucky crit, or the fact that not every server will have the same economy as you. You are small minded.

If you had not got that drop, and sold it. Who would have made more from missions? For cost/time.

Had you not got that lucky crit, who'd have made more, my lowbie, or your 400 skill Slicer. And by how much, considering that I KNOW the data that average missions represent.

And that - Sunshine, is what you fail to grasp. And will continue to fail to grasp.

Had you NOT got the crit. That you have guaranteed you get, every hour, as clockwork. While others with high affection report vastly differing results. So, either - you should be playing the lottery, or you're not telling the truth.

Actually - I'm done talking to you. You cannot see beyond your own basic flaws in your judgement. Insult me more, that's your highground mate, because your "facts" are able as watertight as a sieve.

At the end of the day - data - hard facts, disagree with you. There's plenty of slicing spreadsheets out there, that display the data, and when you correlate credit cost/return, they all match up. Except for you. You make us all look bad, because you earn more than you can spend. You get guaranteed crits, on missions, that some folk go for a day's worth of slicing and not get. That's fine, I get it. You're special.

I'm tired of doing this, you can win by sheer fact, that I'd rather play the game, than argue facts, with your opinions and lies. Data says: You get these returns from missions. You won't answer the question. You say you get Crits every hour. Keep doing it then, since no one else can.
LOL! Keep spinning Corky.

BTW, you are the one that put forth the dumb argument that a level 1 missioner could outperform a 400 slicer. Now that I shot it full of holes, run along.

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Dorkfrey
01.11.2012 , 07:13 PM | #104
Right - guys - I've been baited by a troll.

I don't believe in any world that he crits as much as he does.

I'm not saying that node farming has no potential for slicing. But from the data that has been presented not just by the OP, but via several other spreadsheets of collated information, that the baseline of Slicing Missions is a joke of a number.

I lost my temper with the *****

With certain recipes and crafts, you can vendor a higher return at a much lower skill level, and I think that's out of alignment. Do I think Scavenging or Archaeology need to be nerfed? No - because the credits they generate do not seem to be out of line with what is generated by my grinding or gathering or questing as as character.

Do I think that - Slicing should be brought up to be in line with these as they are currently? Yes.

At the end of the day, the results from the Gathering missions will only ever increase over time. As the market gets stronger - these will increase in price as FotM's change and people will reroll crafts, and some of my niche crafts will lose their viability from GTN'ing, but will be replaced by being able to sell the mats to the GTN directly, instead of buying when they are below X cost.

Slicing, as it stands, will be the poor mans choice in the future. The quantity of nodes has dropped around the world, as has the quality of them.

When a low level craft can achieve the base net return of a high level slicing mission, something is wrong - it's worse when a craft can start skilling up for the region of ~25c a skillpoint - see investment/time deals with crafting. Granted - some people will get lucky crits that will put those numbers into slicing's favour, while the current routes I take to grind credits while bored are pretty fixed (although take very little effort - printing money essentially). However, I suspect that my earning potential with Cyber/Artifice will only continue to increase in time. As the game develops, while as it stands - Slicing's credit outlay becomes reliant on Critting, and as some of you have said, these aren't guaranteed (and I think that a mission skill that at cap returns less credits that a level 20 farming Taris for credits is wrong). At least on the tests I've done with my slicer - who's in his 30's now, it's more profitable to run UWT missions instead on him.

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Drewser
01.11.2012 , 07:26 PM | #105
And there is second 300 mission, just a little after two hours.

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Drewser
01.11.2012 , 07:44 PM | #106
And there is a 3rd but it is diplomacy 300 so won't sell for much.

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keepster
01.11.2012 , 07:49 PM | #107
Heh

Aw aren't you just the cutest little troll iv seen today :P

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Drewser
01.11.2012 , 07:54 PM | #108
there is 4th from a lox box 300 Bio analysis.

Yeah, slicing sucks...

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Drewser
01.11.2012 , 08:02 PM | #109
Quote: Originally Posted by keepster View Post
Heh

Aw aren't you just the cutest little troll iv seen today :P
Haters gonna hate.

Tonight is certainly better than average but anyone says there is no money in slicing flatout doesn't know what they are doing.

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keepster
01.11.2012 , 08:05 PM | #110
Aw that's no way to be im not hating at all im really enjoying this