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Discussion Topic: Game Update 5.4 and the Next Roadmap

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Discussion Topic: Game Update 5.4 and the Next Roadmap
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docbenwayddo
07.28.2017 , 07:05 AM | #551
Quote: Originally Posted by Tsillah View Post
I personally hope that there will be a completely new direction in the story that takes us out of this silly Zakuul stuff and allows us to go straight from the ending of SoR to that new direction. I'll be happy to carry on being able to ignore KotFE and KotET and move on from it.
This. All day long, this. I'll repeat that having no way to completely opt out of that mess means BW completely opting out of my wallet.
Sub zero basket weaving on Csilla for 6 years? Better than ever touching KotFE/ET on any more characters.

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DarthSpuds
07.28.2017 , 07:06 AM | #552
Quote: Originally Posted by Eshvara View Post
But a bad dream really, really is a poor cop out.
Yes, it is. I am painfully aware of that.

But given that the best Bioware creativity could manage over the last 2 years has been the abysmal FE/ET/Iokath story arc do you honestly think they could manage anything better than a "really, really poor cop out" to get us back to being Star Wars again?

If you do you give them far more credit than the evidence suggests they deserve.

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DarthDymond
07.28.2017 , 07:41 AM | #553
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthSpuds View Post
Yes, it is. I am painfully aware of that.

But given that the best Bioware creativity could manage over the last 2 years has been the abysmal FE/ET/Iokath story arc do you honestly think they could manage anything better than a "really, really poor cop out" to get us back to being Star Wars again?

If you do you give them far more credit than the evidence suggests they deserve.

All The Best
I found Iokath underwhelming (although to be fair that storyline is still in-progress, so they might yet bring it around), but I thought KotFE and KdtET were, overall, better than at least three of the Class Stories, Rise of the Hutt Cartel, the Dread Masters Interlude storyline, and most of the one-off Interlude stories like CZ-198 and Rise of the Emperor. (None of those are stories I actively disliked, I just comparatively liked FE/ET better.) The remaining Class Stories, Forged Alliances, and Shadow of Revan are the only ones to strike me as better.

To each their own.
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Rheshalea
07.28.2017 , 07:41 AM | #554
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthSpuds View Post
I hope we wake in our apartment on Coruscant / Dromond Kaas and the whole KotFE/KotET/Iokath garbage has been a bad dream.

Make it so that it has been an "implanted dream" from our respective factions, as a warning of what may happen unless "Our Side" wins the current Empire/Republic conflict quickly and decisively and let us get back to playing Star Wars; all this Keeping Up With The Valkorions rubbish has gone on far, far too long.

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I've been hoping for something like this for ages. Implanted bad dreams while we were stuck in carbonite for some end-of-SoR-related story reason. When we wake up, our spouse or main OLD companion can be there to explain what someone did to a) out us in carbonite in the first place and b) program our dreams. The whole new story can start off by having to find out who this supreme butt of a person is and why s/he did it (hint: NOT Revan again, please!) and eventually, after many long and interesting adventurers where our CHARACTER is the main character and gets most screentime and a lot of actual proper playtime, not only endless cutscenes, we can face that butt of a person and take him/her down.

Of course, this is hamfisted and blatant and horrible, but I'd still prefer that over more of the Vaylin's Latest Tantrum-show. And of course, KOTFEET should still be available and playable for those who want to, and skippable for those who want to go that way.
The biggest problem I see is how to excuse all the new companions. If it was all a dream, where did they come from? Sure, we might have been in carbonite for years, but there has to be a plausible reason for having access to all the things we've worked for in KOTFEET.

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Thaladan
07.28.2017 , 08:55 AM | #555
still outstanding that a MMO like star wars didn't propose a new class in 5+ years .... not even mentionned by devs...

ALL mmorpg proposed a new class at least once, ALL !

this shows the poor budget and possibilities that bw have for this game.
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Eshvara
07.28.2017 , 09:05 AM | #556
Quote: Originally Posted by Thaladan View Post
still outstanding that a MMO like star wars didn't propose a new class in 5+ years .... not even mentionned by devs...

ALL mmorpg proposed a new class at least once, ALL !

this shows the poor budget and possibilities that bw have for this game.
There isn't a need for a new class and apart from maybe a zakuul knight class, I couldn't really think of what else there could be.
Besides, balancing the current classes is already hard enough apparently, and you want a new one to join in?
A new class is a luxury, I rather have them correct the current ones.
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Xina_LA
07.28.2017 , 09:15 AM | #557
I am incredibly happy that they finally, really, actually let us kill the Emperor / Valkorion, once and for all.
That's a huge step in the right direction.

Now we have this problem where some characters sat on the Eternal Throne and have a massive fleet at their disposal. It doesn't have to be a huge problem if the story is carefully written. We have a massive military and intelligence operation, but not every problem can be solved by military might and good intel. The story could go back to personal stories of Light versus Dark, recovering our lost companions, building relationships with our companions and spouses, exploring alien worlds, solving ancient mysteries, handling diplomatic situations, searching for lost technologies, and so forth.

I'm already disappointed that we didn't get to keep an alliance with the Republic and Sith Empire. We really should have had an option to take a neutral role. If it was going to break, it should have happened much later. It feels like we worked hard for something that we lost almost immediately. I hate "take it back" storytelling.

Hopefully the Roadmap will focus on upgrading and fixing what we already have, with a secondary focus on moving our stories in a new, less epic direction. By less epic, I mean more personal stories. The whole galaxy doesn't need to be at risk for the story to be compelling.

Here's a story idea -- what if Theron Shan gets accused of some major crime on a planet belonging to the faction we allied with on Iokath? We could investigate to see if he did it. If we're Light side, he didn't, otherwise he's guilty. If we're sitting on the Zakuul throne, he thinks his actions were justified, and if we gave it up for a democracy, maybe he feels bad about what he did. Now we get to decide if he gets off because he's a spy, our friend, our lover, or our indispensable employee. Maybe we let him face justice. Maybe we handle the justice ourselves. The choices impact the relationships with him and our other companions. No major space battles, no worlds in jeopardy, no slogging through mooks, just a story about honor and loyalty and the hard choices spies make during their careers.
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DarthSpuds
07.28.2017 , 09:39 AM | #558
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthDymond View Post
I thought KotFE and KdtET were, overall, better than at least three of the Class Stories, Rise of the Hutt Cartel, the Dread Masters Interlude storyline, and most of the one-off Interlude stories like CZ-198 and Rise of the Emperor. (None of those are stories I actively disliked, I just comparatively liked FE/ET better.) The remaining Class Stories, Forged Alliances, and Shadow of Revan are the only ones to strike me as better.

To each their own.
I thought the first half of KotFE was good - the bit that was all released together. After that it got so disjointed it was like whole chapters were written by different people, many of who had never played what had already been delivered. It became disjointed, at times incoherent, and plot holes were so big you could lose a fleet of super star destroyers in them. The (IIRC) Voices In The Wilderness chapter (where you forge a new weapon) makes no sense, none at all, from a non force users point of view, and then to top it off we didn't need the weapon anyway because we got a "magic shield" to fight Arcann.

The combat throughout was unimaginative, repetitive, boring. With Bosses that throw CC/Interupts like confetti at a wedding being used as a proxy for challenge. It's like the combat designers just couldn't be bothered to turn up for work until the last patch before release and just threw CC Spam in as the default combat mechanism.

The only Class Story that I think could be objectively classed as worse than KotFE/ET is the Trooper. Which is unimaginative, repetitive, boring and utterly devoid of choices and plot twists. Why wasn't there an option for the Trooper to collect data on the mistreatment of Havoc Squad and hold Republic Command to account for example?

You are correct about much of the "interlude" stories, but they too were written by the post class story writing team, the same people responsible for KotFE/ET. Although I enjoyed Hutt Cartel quite a bit, but then I thought Forged Alliances pretty much acts as a prelude to the "quality" of the story in KotFE/ET - the only notably enjoyable part for me was a trip to Manaan.

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DarthSpuds
07.28.2017 , 09:41 AM | #559
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There isn't a need for a new class and apart from maybe a zakuul knight class, I couldn't really think of what else there could be.
Beast Master Jedi / Sith.

By the same token they could add in a Tech Pet User somewhat like the Engineer in Wildstar.

Can't believe there is not a Pet User class in this.

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Eshvara
07.28.2017 , 09:48 AM | #560
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthSpuds View Post
Beast Master Jedi / Sith.

By the same token they could add in a Tech Pet User somewhat like the Engineer in Wildstar.

Can't believe there is not a Pet User class in this.

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With companions around, I don't really feel like there's a need for a pet class, but that#s my opinion.
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