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Discussion Topic: Game Update 5.4 and the Next Roadmap

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Discussion Topic: Game Update 5.4 and the Next Roadmap
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FourPawnBenoni
08.03.2017 , 02:08 PM | #1061
Quote: Originally Posted by IoNonSoEVero View Post
At this point you're arguing against legal binding documents to try to support your belief that KOTFE/KOTET were somehow miserable failures. They were not. It's in print. And the devs are on the record as well as saying it's the most successful expansions. I'm not responding again because if you are willing to deny or try to spin what's in the company's friggin' annual reports to try to support your own dislike of the story content, there's really no point in continuing a dialogue.
I admit when 5.0 first released there were tons of players online. I guess if short term financial gain at the cost of destroying the player base is yours and the devs definition of success then I guess it certainly succeeded.

However, I am quite certain 2017 will have substantial loss compared to 2016. Log in yourself to any server, including Harb, where you will see significant decline in population base. December of 2016 on Shadowlands, Ebon Hawk and JC had 2-3 full fleet instances on Imp side in prime time. Now, you'll be lucky to see more than 75 players total.

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08.03.2017 , 02:08 PM | #1062
Quote: Originally Posted by IoNonSoEVero View Post
At this point you're arguing against legal binding documents to try to support your belief that KOTFE/KOTET were somehow miserable failures. They were not. It's in print. And the devs are on the record as well as saying it's the most successful expansions. I'm not responding again because if you are willing to deny or try to spin what's in the company's friggin' annual reports to try to support your own dislike of the story content, there's really no point in continuing a dialogue.
Please don't. You clearly don't understand what you've linked. And claiming KOTFE and KOTET were "successes", takes a new kind of spin entirely. I'm certain that by some obscure metric they actually were, but not in the way we needed.
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08.03.2017 , 02:22 PM | #1063
Quote: Originally Posted by IoNonSoEVero View Post
Actually, it does, and I'm not going to believe you've read two 97 page legal documents in the time it took you to respond. You're just arguing now.

What do you think "revenue primarily driven by..." means? FIFA and SWTOR were the two games named. The annual reports clearly show that not only did KOTET/KOTFE do well, they did very well, and were not responsible for EA's losses.
You do realize that means nothing because they don't list how much is pushed by each game IE fifa could be responsible for 90% of that revenue and swtor only 10% which is most likely the case as Fifa is a way bigger title vs swtor.

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IoNonSoEVero
08.03.2017 , 02:48 PM | #1064
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaizersan View Post
You do realize that means nothing because they don't list how much is pushed by each game IE fifa could be responsible for 90% of that revenue and swtor only 10% which is most likely the case as Fifa is a way bigger title vs swtor.
So you honestly think that they will name a game that only draws 10% revenue when they're citing the two games bringing in the most revenue? And that when they're reporting in a legal document that's filed in court and given to their investors that they will be so misleading?

I guess people will try to spin it any way that they feel fits their narrative of KOTET being awful. Especially when they are ignoring that EA names the games that have declined, and SWTOR isn't among them, and when the devs themselves have said it was very successful.

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ivanhedgehog
08.03.2017 , 03:04 PM | #1065
Quote: Originally Posted by JakRoanin View Post
As someone who plays this game because I love THE OLD REPUBLIC era that Bioware originally created with Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic, I get totally dismayed when I here people say... "We don't want story, we don't care about characters, we just want to kill, kill, kill." I shake my head wondering... 'Ummm, you do realize that they never advertised this game as that?'

Now, I will never raid, or do ops, or any of the other crazy hardcore group content. That does not mean people shouldn't have them.

I think they're working hard to address what we all want. It will take time, but I'm sure it will go faster if we all try to keep positive.
Do you know what they advertised this game as? STAR WARS. if this game was anything but star wars it would have long ago shut down. You can story till your eyes bleed while paying nothing. what cant you do without paying?? So what are they counting on to keep the $$$ rolling in and the lights on?

trick question..the star wars name..the same thing they used to attract players to the game originally.

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IoNonSoEVero
08.03.2017 , 03:07 PM | #1066
Quote: Originally Posted by FourPawnBenoni View Post
I admit when 5.0 first released there were tons of players online. I guess if short term financial gain at the cost of destroying the player base is yours and the devs definition of success then I guess it certainly succeeded.

However, I am quite certain 2017 will have substantial loss compared to 2016. Log in yourself to any server, including Harb, where you will see significant decline in population base. December of 2016 on Shadowlands, Ebon Hawk and JC had 2-3 full fleet instances on Imp side in prime time. Now, you'll be lucky to see more than 75 players total.
The Fleet population isn't a sign of anything. Many of us avoid the Fleet like the plague, and there's no way to count the number of players in instanced areas/flashpoints/guild ships/etc. at any given time.

Also, when people have mentioned why they're not subscribing anymore, things like CXP, the way classes have been nerfed and grind for gear have come up far, far more than anything else.

Interesting thing, subscriptions seemed to decrease when the new content of substance stopped. December 2016 was when KOTET was in full swing. Nobody's flooded back in for PvP and Ops, regardless of how much people claim that is what is wanted.

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FerkWork
08.03.2017 , 03:13 PM | #1067
If KOTFE and KOTET story expac were so successful then why the 360 and the stop to story only. I mean you don't stop if it makes hand over fist in cash. Devs even admitted the story model flopped due to "Netflix binge culture" but really cause it was light on anything. With Devs even before Keith took over refocusing on MMO content in an MMO lol it should be obviously clear that it wasn't a smashing success. In any case server population declines attest to that as well as the addition of CXP was meant to stop the decline but that failed and population dropped even further in 5.0. In any case it's a moot point as BW has learned their lesson I hope and going back to what an MMO should do make MMO content. As KBN said, Story is flavor content is substance.

People aren't flooding back as there's only been a trickle of content so far. Hopefully they can pick up the pace. Solo Story only won't bring people back only real content will and plenty of it.
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08.03.2017 , 03:18 PM | #1068
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaizersan View Post
make a poll and see for yourself post the poll on here and on reddit and see the difference.
A) We can't make polls here.
B) Reddit isn't the official communication channel, and there is no guarantee that such a poll wouldn't be skewed by sock puppet accounts.

But you knew that, you want to sound like you have some credibility, when we all know you don't.

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DarthSpuds
08.03.2017 , 03:19 PM | #1069
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaizersan View Post
Not really because the truth is in the numbers of people who have unsubbed since the start after being dissatisfied with the game the number of unsubs is far greater then number of subs currently in game as subs represent support for the current state of the game.
Very true, but you have no proof whatsoever that they all unsubbed for the reasons you claim.


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08.03.2017 , 03:24 PM | #1070
Quote: Originally Posted by IoNonSoEVero View Post
So you honestly think that they will name a game that only draws 10% revenue when they're citing the two games bringing in the most revenue? And that when they're reporting in a legal document that's filed in court and given to their investors that they will be so misleading?

I guess people will try to spin it any way that they feel fits their narrative of KOTET being awful. Especially when they are ignoring that EA names the games that have declined, and SWTOR isn't among them, and when the devs themselves have said it was very successful.
The devs told us that cxp was exciting too, so it is obvious that they never put a spin on anything to make them seem better than they actually are.

Seriously, KotFE was very successful at launch, but by the time the eternal championship and the monthly chapters started rolling out, people started leaving the game in droves.

Since then the game has been on a slow downhill slide, and even though some people came back for KotET, the truth is that far fewer people came back than with KotFE, and the cxp grind was so poorly receive that it caused an acceleration of departures starting soon after launch.

Now you can dispute the decline in population if you want, but those of us that play the game know the truth.