Strive-US Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Lorewise, who is the stronger of the two: Lord Scourge, the former Emperor's Wrath, or the new Emperor's Wrath? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coge Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Lorewise, who is the stronger of the two: Lord Scourge, the former Emperor's Wrath, or the new Emperor's Wrath? Scourge - because he's immortal, and has had over 300 years to sharpen and accumulate skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adormitul Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) The new emperors wrath because he is a freaking beast that can survive a explosion and destroy armies and he did not went trough a ritual that made him immortal. Because the new wrath is a beast what can Scourge perfect lightsaber skills do against this tornado of destruction? And the interesting part is he is about late 20's in KOTFE. I think Scourge like all martial artist there is as much as you can perfect and you reach a cap that depends upon your talent and in Scourge case talent and force potential. I really wish we will meet him in KOTFE and duel him. Edited December 6, 2015 by adormitul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) I really wish we will meet him in KOTFE and duel him. I would rather have him as an ally, though he is a cheaky bastard, having in mind the way he backstabbed Meetra. Edited December 6, 2015 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adormitul Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 I would rather have him as an ally, though he is a cheaky bastard, having in mind the way he backstabbed Meetra. Well yeah but I still wanna duel him first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacoscent Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Obviously the new one. Scourge can't be that strong if he is now serving some Jedi. If he had 300 years to train etc, why wasn't he strong enough to become the new emperor? Or improve his position etc. 300 years and he did fk all with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARTHOSIRUS Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) If the Jedi knight can best Scourge so can the Wrath. Edited December 8, 2015 by DARTHOSIRUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerraShar Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 My wrath...cose she is wearing a gorgeous dress and he killed the exile..he is as good as dead . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazeTomahawk Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Scourge - because he's immortal, and has had over 300 years to sharpen and accumulate skills. True new Wrath, because Scourge has had 300 of being feared that he's probably forgotten much. Becoming immortal doesn't mean your memory gets better. He probably barely remembers anything from 100 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordQordisz Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Becoming immortal doesn't mean your memory gets better. He probably barely remembers anything from 100 years ago Speaking as a hundred year old I take umbrage with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetPloughed Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 The New Wrath for sure. I know that if Scourge shows up in KoTFE, my Wrath will hopefully be given the option to fight and decapitate him. Scourge, Quinn and Lokin are so on the to kill list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunafox Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Scourge - because he's immortal, and has had over 300 years to sharpen and accumulate skills. I'm with you, I agree, Scourge is immortal and has 300 years of accumulated wisdom. Being a 'beast' is one thing, but I'd rather have the knowledge and wisdom as well as immortality and strength. I would rather not be the embodiment of the 'dumb brute.' Having some smarts to go along with that prowess is definitely a plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConVallian Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Not trying to be "that guy" but i dont think scourge is all that powerful impressive yes, but if the HoT can overpower him so can the new Wrath who is as strong as HoT. Plus i think by the time of kotfe Wrath is just as powerful maybe more so than darth marr who was stronger than malgus and considered the best sith lord in his prime. not counting the emperor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PadsterPwns Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 I'd go with Scourge on this one, mainly due to how pre-prime he was in Revan and how his Consume Essence works as this is perfect for this match-up. As a duelist we know that he is at least an expert of Ataru, Juyo and Soresu and he may have expertise/mastery of other forms due to Juyo's requirement of mastery of multiple forms. This is the pre-prime Scourge we see in Revan and I honestly think he may have mastered all of the forms over the 300 years he spent in the Empire. As for saying he 'lost' to the HoT, he didn't. He actually fought him to a standstill and then broke the fight off, with him explaining later that he broke off as he needed the HoT to stop Vitiate meaning he could have actually won the HoT fight. Regardless of whether he would have won it or not doesn't really matter though as by the time of their duel the HoT was already considered the most powerful Jedi in the Order by multiple people. Also keep in mind that he is noted to have killed over 1000 Jedi and Sith during his 300 year tenure as the Wrath meaning he has much more experience than his successor. He was also considered a peer to Meetra Surik during Revan (though she was weakened), 300 years before his prime. As a Force user we've seen him telekinetically choke and kill a bunch of Sith and troopers without making any gestures, during Revan he slammed a Patrol Droid so hard that it shattered, he was able to telekinetically off-balance a Dark Council member and he frequently used Lightsaber Throw which covered great distances and could kill Sith. Once again, apart from the first feat, he was 300 years pre-prime so without doubt he improved. Scourge could also use the rare ability known as Consume Essence which lets him use his opponents "raw emotions" to amplify his own strength and power, the more powerful the opponent, the more powerful he can become. Saying this would be useful against the Wrath would be an understatement as it would amp him extremely. He is also skilled in using physical augmentation, being able to run so fast that a programmed Patrol Droid couldn't react to him and a programmed Blaster Turret couldn't track him, moving his lightsaber so fast that it created precise blurs (whilst in heavy armour) and being able to jump over a nine foot fence. Another advantage he holds is being unable to feel pain as through out his 300 years as Wrath he grew numb to the pain caused by the Emperor's ritual. Again this was 300 years pre-prime Scourge and considering the amount of times Darth Nyriss and Revan stated his potential was massive I have no doubts he improved. Personally I think that Scourge is actually the perfect opponent for the new Wrath as he has knowledge of multiple forms, has the trump card Consume Essence meaning the angrier and more frustrated his opponent gets he gets stronger and he has some impressive feats even before his prime. Add the fact that he has 300 years of experience and growth over the new Wrath and that the new Wrath's emotions will empower him, I feel Scourge would take this. Great match though OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) It would be pretty weird if a companion is more powerful than than the player, but given Scourge's background, at least in chapter 2, there is a strong possibility he is more powerful than the Knight. - At least during chapter 2 or throughout the class story. / I an inclined to think he helds back in their encounter at end of the Knight's chapter 2 / At some point the HoT most probably catches up and surpasses him though, after the class story. Edited December 12, 2015 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PadsterPwns Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) It would be pretty weird if a companion is more powerful than than the player, but given Scourge's background, at least in chapter 2, there is a strong possibility he is more powerful than the Knight. He probably surpassed Scourge at the start of Oricon IMO. Edited December 12, 2015 by PadsterPwns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adormitul Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 I really wish we could meet and duel him in KOTFE the old wrath vs the new wrath a battle of the ages. That will be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) He probably surpassed Scourge at the start of Oricon IMO. Or much much earlier than that. The stuff before was all in a best case scenario for Scourge. The HoT and the Wrath are complete powerhouses so it is just as likely not true. Scourge would just remain the most powerful when compared to other companions. Edited December 13, 2015 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eGraced Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 It would be pretty weird if a companion is more powerful than than the player Have you played since 4.0... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adormitul Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Have you played since 4.0... I am still stronger then my companion as I have defensive skills to make up for my lack of damage they do not. Also have interrupt and they do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blendedseal Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 New Wrath and Scourge team up to remove Zakuulan scum around the galaxy. Perfect buddy copesque movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukewarcriminal Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 New Wrath and Scourge team up to remove Zakuulan scum around the galaxy. Perfect buddy copesque movie. oh my bros for life (eternal life?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebsten Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 oh my bros for life (eternal life?) Haha, that is a funny picture, but no eternal life for the New Wrath. He has no claim to immortality, maybe Nox? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyFlynn Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Scourge all the way in my eyes. He's accumulated 300+ years of wisdom, knowledge, power and strength. He's immortal, pain means little to him. Yes the JK 'overpowered' him at the Emperor's fortress but who's to say that wasn't merely Scourge and the Emperor testing his/her merit? Why would he go beastmode on the JK when he can toy around instead, provide a false sense of security and test the JK in combat knowing he himself cannot die anyways? And we do know Scourge was in fact looking for 'proof' that this JK truly was the one who'd according to his vision defeat the Emperor. He admits to that when he pledges loyalty to the JK and is asked why he didn't do something to help the JK sooner. He had to be certain. No he didn't/couldn't defeat the Emperor himself but there could be dozens of reasons for that. Most primarily, Scourge never actually even tried to take the Emperor on himself. Revan did. All Scourge foresaw was Revan's failure and a vision of the HoT who'd succeed, in which he put his faith. For all we know he could have done it himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool-dude Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Scourge - because he's immortal, and has had over 300 years to sharpen and accumulate skills. This. Experience trumps all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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