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The Empire/Republic ships in TOR are wrong

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The Empire/Republic ships in TOR are wrong

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Xzara_Jade
04.11.2012 , 04:07 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Nireves View Post
But the ships that the Emperor has were the ships of the Republic left over from or built as a result of the clone wars.

Does that mean that the Jedi that commissioned the clone army and had those tall aliens build the fleet was a Sith?

And what did the Rebels do, dig up 3000 year old ships or build exact copies of 3000 year old ships
i Dnt see how u are pulling hairs over the difference in the ships when you fail to grasp a hold on some of the lore.

of course the jedi that commisioned the clone army was a sith/ considering the fact that sideous was pulling the strings in the republic AND that the council had no idea that such an army was cleared for approval by a jedi that was dead for over ten years (coincides with palpatines becoming supreme chancilo cough cough* and on another note u failed to even recall who these "cloners" are called? they are Kamino.
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GreySix
04.11.2012 , 04:40 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Bobsy View Post
Afraid you're over-thinking this. Star Wars is a fantasy rather than a solid, quantifiable history. The reason the Sith Empire has the same wedge-shaped ships as the Galactic Empire is because THEY EEEEVIL. And that's about that.
Concur. In the Star Wars universe, the evil guys get cooler looking boats and stuff, while the "good guys" get the crap and are told to move out and draw fire.

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JacenHallis
04.11.2012 , 04:44 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Xzara_Jade View Post
and on another note u failed to even recall who these "cloners" are called? they are Kamino.
Don't be a douche, man. If you're going to correct someone, do it in a positive way. Also, the planet was Kamino; the people were Kaminoans.

The whole ship aesthetics issue comes down to one man: Palpatine.

Up until 1000 BBY, the Republic used ships like the Thranta and the Hammerhead, as we see in KOTOR and TOR. Sure, the designs change. For the most part, the Sith are the ones who use the wedge-shaped ships like the dreadnoughts in TOR.

Roughly 1000 BBY, something huge happened. The Sith were wiped out (or so the Republic thought). Because of this, certain things happened to the Republic, which are called the Ruusan Reformations. The specifics are not important. All you need to know is that, after Ruusan, the Republic no longer had a standing army. It relied on formal treaties and local law enforcement and militias to keep the peace. The Jedi themselves put away their armor and embraced a lifestyle of peace.

Fast forward to the Rise of the Empire era. Sidious had a clone army created. But, the Republic had no means of ferrying these troops around to wage war against the Separatists. What probably happened is Palpatine (either as Sifo-dyas or through him) offered old Sith schematics to some shipmakers (perhaps KDY), who then improved the designs, bringing them up to modern standards.

The Acclamator was not a Republic design. Well, it was, but the Republic had no idea it had them until Geonosis.
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SNCommand
04.11.2012 , 04:53 AM | #14
This is how I see it, the first wedge ships were first designed and used by the Rakatan Empire, this design would later be copied by the Sith Empire after losing the Great Hyperspace war, looking for a superior design capable of defeating the Republic Fleet.

During the Mandalorian wars though the Republic forces under Revan begin to design for unkown reasons wedge shaped capital ships to use against the Mandalorians (My guess is imperial infiltrators want to test the capabilities of wegde ships against normal vessels, the mandalorian wars and the jedi civil war was actually nothing but the Empire testing the military capabilities of the galaxy).

After the defeat of Revan's Sith Empire and the Star Forge the wedge ship design is now used solely by Sith Remnants and The True Sith Empire hiding in unkown space, the Republic continues to use the hammerhead and corellia designs. Then the Empire returns and the Great War starts. In the next 3000 years a technological dark age will start because of the New SIth Wars, and the wedge ship designs will diseaper until somewhere around or during the movies when Republic Engineers will conclude that the wedge ship design is the most efficient.

Then we get the movies in which the Republic navy is made into the Imperial Navy, and then after the movies the Star Destroyers will become the preffered capital ship design for both Imperial Remnant and New Republic forces.
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JacenHallis
04.11.2012 , 05:40 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by SNCommand View Post
During the Mandalorian wars though the Republic forces under Revan begin to design for unkown reasons wedge shaped capital ships to use against the Mandalorians (My guess is imperial infiltrators want to test the capabilities of wegde ships against normal vessels, the mandalorian wars and the jedi civil war was actually nothing but the Empire testing the military capabilities of the galaxy).
There is a stated reason for using the wedge shape. It allows most of the ship's weapons to fire forward.

So, it makes sense for the Sith to use this design, as they are a highly militant people. it makes sense for Revan to input that design into the Star Forge, as it would make his conquering the Republic easier. But, with Revan, it also was a psychological thing: the shape of the ships and their capabilities scared people.

This principle would later be expanded on by Wilhuff Tarkin, where he believed that it was better to rule by the fear of force, rather than by force itself. A Star Destroyer certainly could back up its fierce demeanor (especially the Eclipse class), but their real power came from their status as a symbol of the Empire's strength. They served as oppressor and rallying cry all in one.
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Tfranco
04.11.2012 , 05:55 AM | #16
The imps don't have star destroyers in swtor....sly completely diff looks. I mean OMG they are both in the general same shape!!
The repub fleet looks nothing like the rebels, no corellian or mon cal ships.
But think about this, today's subaru looks the same as the ones 10 years ago, they just have little things to make em newer and have better performance. Same thing with ships, the manufacturer has the same design idea with better performance.
And last but not least, history repeats its self.

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Adderdin
04.11.2012 , 05:57 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Bluerodian View Post
Is there even a Kuat Drive Yards (Builders of Imperial Star Destroyers in the OT era) at this point? o_O
Unfortunatly yes, Bioware had gone the easy way by simply copying everything from Orginal Starwars, so you have Kuat Drive Yards, the Soorosub corporation and well many many many other companies, with thanks to Bioware 4000 year old Tradition.

They created a world of technological and cultural STAGNATION.

Even the "cantina" music has been the same for 4000 years. Every hutt has a palace, a rankorn and people frozen in Carbonite... Its just a copy of orginal SW. Few thousand years earlier
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Anysao
04.11.2012 , 05:59 AM | #18
Actually..
The ships for the republic consist of hammerhead cruisers, are from the entire old republic era (my favorite kind), and the Oval-shaped ship I don't recall the name of.

The triangular shaped ship for the empire is just an old sith design. Maybe palpatine may similiar for his empire..
It's just coincidence they look similiar....

There's a 3700 year time difference...
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Cylux
04.11.2012 , 06:03 AM | #19
I don't suppose anyone's bothered to look at the republic's symbol during episodes 1-3 yet? Looks suspiciously like the imperial crest. Clues for what happens in this war perhaps?

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HellAsura
04.11.2012 , 06:44 AM | #20
just my opinion
I think as in any war the loser ends up delivering its technology to the winner, as the republic was the one who won it absorbed such as ship and until the period of the clone wars republic did not have an army not the model has undergone many changes. but with galactic empire the model was being perfected, and the rebels will not choose the ships that will use but used what they had at the time

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